We are gonna win the lottery (official thread)
- Thread starter Bawse Dawg
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https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/cap/2013/
Seems like we were 14 million below the LT cap and Millsap was signed for 10,000,000 IIRC. What am I missing? You are usually pretty good with cap stuff so I trust you, but just curious.
Seems like we were 14 million below the LT cap and Millsap was signed for 10,000,000 IIRC. What am I missing? You are usually pretty good with cap stuff so I trust you, but just curious.
GVC
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1. The Jazz were nowhere near the LT. Even if they could have re-signed Millsap AND made the trade, they would have been under the LT.
2. Free agents count against the cap -- i.e., they have a cap hold -- until they're either re-signed, signed by another team or renounced. With Millsap's cap hold, the Jazz didn't have enough space below the cap to make the trade. They had to renounce Millsap and Jefferson in order to make the GS trade.
Because the Jazz didn't send salary out in the trade, they had to be able to absorb the incoming contracts below the cap. The Luxury tax line is irrelevant here. Millsap's cap hold (and Jefferson's) plus the GS contracts would have put Utah above the cap (again, they would have been below the LT, but that's irrelevant).
GVC
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Cy, the whole point of cap holds is to keep teams from signing a bunch of other players up to the cap when they have their own free agents, and then re-signing their own players. You can't do that. You can only sign other teams' players if you have cap space after accounting for cap holds. Without this rule, large market teams would be stacked every year.
GVC
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1. Foye's salary was not nearly enough for salary matching purposes (which was the point in me saying they didn't send out salary). The trade was a HUGE salary dump for GS.
2. Still didn't create enough cap space for Jefferson, Biedrins, Rush and Millsap's cap hold. The Jazz were just about at the cap after the trade.
GVC
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You could also amend it to include Carroll: Millsap, Carroll and a 2014 mid-1st round pick or Hood, Exum and the 2017 GS pick.
GVC
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Not enough to create the cap space needed for GS to sign Iggy, which was the whole point of the trade. Subtract whatever Millsap's cap hold was -- without looking, I'd guess it was in the $8-10mil range.
Again, it was one or the other: some combination of Millsap, Jefferson and Carroll or the two GS picks and tanking.
Jazz4ever
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Only with hindsight 20/20 goggles on. DL has the job of projecting players 3-5 years out. Kanter was coming off a very strong 2nd season and there were plenty of threads about how him getting the max was inevitable. There is also the question would Favors sign an extension with Millsap as a clear cut starter. At the time I viewed it as a "questionable" move, and the majority was viewing it as a very good move to send Mr. Undersized on his way. GVC is the only member at the time I clearly remember denouncing the move, there were probably a few others.
Yeah, just wondering. I think we were the only team who could absorb all that cap at once IIRC, but I bet the Warriors would have tried to dump cap in separate trades. Just wondering what we could have gotten for w/e cap space we could have absorbed and retained Millsap.
It's crazy to think that trade is one of the major reasons Golden State became a NBA champion and went on to have the best record ever.