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We need to pick our rotation.

Real good point; Ty is indeed basing PT on performance. CJ's minutes took a major dip whep he was in his chuck'em up funk. He seems to have gotten the message and is playing his most consistant basketball I can recall as of late, and his minutes have gone up. Favors struggled as a starter to begin the season and has been much better off the bench. Harris is a good defender, as is Bell, so I'm against benching him entirely, but would like to see Tinsley in the picture than to increase Watson's minutes. Watson isn't that consistant a defender and tends to lose his magic touch when he plays longer minutes; I remember last season when Harris was hurt... These are mostly young guys; they're gonna have ups and downs, and Ty's gonna adjust their minutes accordingly.
 
I'd like an end to the myth Raja's defense is so important he needs 27 minutes a night (which is what he's played the last 5), but I don't think major rotation decisions should be made. Burks will lose some minutes with Howard's return, Raja and Hayward will continue to start, Ty will play the matchups, and hopefully Raja gets up to 30 plus.
 
billyshelby said:
I'd like an end to the myth Raja's defense is so important he needs 27 minutes a night (which is what he's played the last 5), but I don't think major rotation decisions should be made. Burks will lose some minutes with Howard's return, Raja and Hayward will continue to start, Ty will play the matchups, and hopefully Raja gets up to 30 plus.
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Ah ha, now I get the strategy.
The damn Brits did that to me when they bought my former company. Upped my hours from 45 to 50, then 60 and still wanted more. I was so exhausted after several months of long hours and working to midnight many times that I gave up and negotiated my surrender. Corbin should play Bell 40 mins/per for a solid month. With the compressed schedule, Raja is certain to ask for a buyout.
 
I think we should play the guys that are playing the best. Currently we have a few guys like Raja, CJ, Hayward Jefferson, that don't always show up to play. Why have a set rotation? I say if they are playing hard and well then let them get some burn if not try someone else.
 
I think for the majority of players on this team Corbin is getting the most out of everyone. With the exception being Harris (bad fit in system?) I think fighting for minutes is making this team play much harder than years past and has lead to our winning record. If you cut that out now you will not have players playing at the same level. Plus the players trimmed will be young players due to the fact that our vets are playing well right now and have the longest leash. Corbin is playing things great now. If we make the playoffs then I am sure he will make the needed adjustment.

It is going to be ironic when Corbin wins COY this year after having a HOF coach never win it for Utah. If we make the playoffs I think Corbin wins it this year unless another team does something crazy like Philly being a 2 or 3 seed in the playoffs.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Bull ****. If it was Hayward you would care.
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No. For the sake of the Jazz, a 8/9 rotation will develop a better team. None of us see practice and off hour effort. We do seem games which need to be a factor. But when you are playing 10/11 guys within minutes of each other, I do not think you develop whomever you want. We re on a path of being average.

Use our depth for rest nights, injuries, foul trouble.

I've seen this play out in the college Ranks. I am an alumni from the University of Dayton (hence udflyer name) and our last ball coach (Brian Gregory) did the same thing. He played very deep with the philosophy of wearing teams down and keeping players fresh. We always ended up being average or a tick above average, thankfully he is no longer our coach this year and we are back to normal coach, rotation.

I do like Hayward, but I do not know all the facts to know if he has earned where he is at. If you want my Honest opinion, Hayward is so young and came from such a small town, he needs a situation that is more stable.
Just my opinion as to why he is not flourishing. Maybe he is too insecure, but he needs a coach that says "You are my guy" and sticks with him a bit longer than a Handful of games. It is clear he has the shortest leash, by far, and I would not play well in that scenario either, human nature. There is more to coaching than X & O's. That is why Phil Jackson was unreal, he knew the psychology of the game.

I almost think of Hayward like ALex Smith on the 49ers. When he constantly had a short leash, being nit picked he was horrible as a #1 pick. When JimH became their coach this year, he changed the entire psyche of the team.
He told Alex he was the man and Smith play great all year. Same Player. Not saying Hayward shouldn't be tougher, yadi yadi yadi, but he is who he is (IMO).

As a business man, I would actually trade Hayward now because I think he has a lot more trade value now, before the end of the 3rd year. (which I believe he is now guaranteed through).
Hayward will not flourish in this type of rotation / system IMO. Not saying it is right, but my feel.

I heard KOC last nite on KFAN saying he likes Haywards D a lot but he is Jeckly/Hide on offense and needs to be more aggressive. Yet when he takes an aggressive/early shot, he gets up out of his seat screaming and Hayward is pulled with 6 minutes left in the 3rd (few games ago)


Again, for the Jazz's team sake (no names) DEVELOP your top 8/9 if we want to be champions.
 
As long players are getting enough time to get into rhythm I think its a huge benefit to having a deep rotation. The big negative to a deep rotation is usually the very top couple guys aren't getting enough mins total, and the middle guys aren't getting enough mins to get into a rhythm. This isn't a problem with this team at all this year. Most of us would be ok with Sap and Paul getting a couple less minutes so that Kanter and Favors can play a little more. Our most rotation guys like Howard, Watson, Howard, and Favors are pretty much instantly ready when they get into a game.

The only change I'd really like to see with the rotation is giving Kanter and Favors more time to start the 4th and bringing Paul and Jefferson in just a little later to keep them fresher at the end of the game. Especially Jefferson.
 
I think Millsap's increased effectiveness is directly attributable to the fact that he's playing less minutes. Same could be said of Jefferson.

The Jazz lost many games in the 4th quarter last year because their front line was spent the last 5 minutes of the game. Depth is clearly a reason for this team's success. I'm not sure why we'd want to change that.
 
I think the OP is very wrong.
One thing i hated about sloan was that he had a set rotation... didn't matter who was playing good or bad.
Player "x" could make 4 shots in a row and be playing great and have a good rythm and then he would get taken out of the game for player "y" because it is his "time" to come out.
I dont think having a set rotation is a good thing. Then players know that they will get thier minutes no matter if they play good or bad, so there is no incentive.
Also the players left out of the rotation have no incentive to play hard because they know they will not be able to earn any minutes because the rotations are "set"
 
fishonjazz said:
I think the OP is very wrong.
One thing i hated about sloan was that he had a set rotation... didn't matter who was playing good or bad.
Player "x" could make 4 shots in a row and be playing great and have a good rythm and then he would get taken out of the game for player "y" because it is his "time" to come out.
I dont think having a set rotation is a good thing. Then players know that they will get thier minutes no matter if they play good or bad, so there is no incentive.
Also the players left out of the rotation have no incentive to play hard because they know they will not be able to earn any minutes because the rotations are "set"
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I hate set rotations, for sure. I also hate playing more than around 9 guys .. but choose your players based on their effectiveness during each game.
 
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