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We should take Kanter with the 6

It makes sense, becuz, Kanter is the only superstar potential guy who can eventually drop to 6. We dont expect that from Barnes or Irving.

I remind everyone, Kanter is just 18. And he stupidly chose ncaa despite of knowing he isnt gonna play. Thats why he had problem with his club Fenerbahce. He was playing in Euroleague (its the nba of Europe) when he was 16. If he continued to play in europe, im sure he would have been picked at the first 3.
So everyone who thinks Ricky Rubio will be a star player thinks the same for Kanter. Only difference is Kanter rushed himself early to nba dream while rubio wanted to play in europe more (mabe minnesota pick affected his decision)
So in his first year, i believe he will have problems, but he is obviously the best international in his generation.
And if someone is gonna be a super star from this draft, its Irving, Barnes and Kanter but noone else.

(p.s. He currently holds the nike summit hoops point record by intl side, and only one who get closed to him was Nowitzki with 31 points if im correct)
 
See this is where I have a problem with drafting Kanter. While he looks solid we already have 3 big men who are very good. You never draft a guy at 3-6 who will be a back up for years. He may be the BPA though. Many will disagree with me but if Perry Jones is there, I say take him. His potential is insane for a SF. If he lives up to it, hayward and Jones on the wings would be incredible. If Jones isn't there, then I'd go with Kanter maybe. I really like Jordan Hamilton for the 12th pick
 
I am all on board with Perry Jones, but I seriously doubt he'd fall to us. But i love the idea of him playing the 3, hayward the 2, and the frontcourt of favors/jefferson/millsap. With Jimmer coming off the bench. (j/k) (kind of)
 
Favors Flave said:
See this is where I have a problem with drafting Kanter. While he looks solid we already have 3 big men who are very good. You never draft a guy at 3-6 who will be a back up for years. He may be the BPA though. Many will disagree with me but if Perry Jones is there, I say take him. His potential is insane for a SF. If he lives up to it, hayward and Jones on the wings would be incredible. If Jones isn't there, then I'd go with Kanter maybe. I really like Jordan Hamilton for the 12th pick
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No offense, but couldn't disagree more. The most certain way to draft a bust is to ignore BPA and draft for need. If Utah already has 3 decent frontcourt players, that shouldn't stop them from drafting a 4th in Kanter as long as he is BPA at that point. You always draft the BPA and figure out where to put them later. That way, you fill your team with talent and attractive trade pieces if you find yourself logjammed at certain positions.
 
How do we know that this guy isn't Darko? So he's shooting 42 percent from the field against weak euros? That's what draftexpress shows. That's not impressive to me at all.
 
I agree with Jazzman12. Draft BPA. They might be Kanter (we don't know but judging from the info we have available to us he appears to have stud potential in him). And typically, if you're choosing between equal talents - one being a big and the other a small - you choose big because bigs have more value in the league.

Yes, if the Jazz drafts a big that means someone should get traded. And they have a few bigs that have trade value (Jefferson, Millsap, Kanter, or do you think Perry Jones has greater trade value than Kanter? ).

My hesitation on P.Jones is his lack of aggressive play. Yes, I too salivated over his size AND being able to play the 3 initially. But when I read he wasn't aggressive and couldn't help his college team in the W column, I soured.

Kanter on the other hand has some successes on his resume. Is he redundant? Sure - but he's 6'11" AND, as mentioned above, holds the Nike hoops summit scoring record previously held by Nowitzki.

IF his knees check out and he's still on the board at 6 you gotta take him. He'll have value.
 
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IF his knees check out and he's still on the board at 6 you gotta take him. He'll have value.
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To me I think this is going to be the most important aspect in drafting him ala Roy. How serious was his knee injury? How did he injure it? Was it just 1 knee or both? I wouldn't risk it (even with the 6th pick) if there is any cause for concern. It's not even close to being the same situation as Spurs drafting Blair with all his injury concerns in the 2nd round..
 
Favors Flave said:
See this is where I have a problem with drafting Kanter. While he looks solid we already have 3 big men who are very good. You never draft a guy at 3-6 who will be a back up for years. He may be the BPA though. Many will disagree with me but if Perry Jones is there, I say take him. His potential is insane for a SF. If he lives up to it, hayward and Jones on the wings would be incredible. If Jones isn't there, then I'd go with Kanter maybe. I really like Jordan Hamilton for the 12th pick
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why not trade jefferson if we find a good deal, and start kanter- favors, millsap from the bench?
 
Well having read about his injury history on Kanter, then maybe we should take the for sure thing in Brandon Knight (Calipari's PG have all excelled with a transition to the next level) with the 6th pick and see if Enes Kanter falls to the 12th pick and if he doesn't then take Jordan Hamilton or trade back to pick up Hamilton with a later pick.
 
The Thriller said:
How do we know that this guy isn't Darko? So he's shooting 42 percent from the field against weak euros? That's what draftexpress shows. That's not impressive to me at all.
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in euroleague, there is much more phsycal contact than in nba. And he was 16 then, which he played really less.
Sometimes statistics lie.
But i can bet with anyone he will be as good as Gasol, he just needs a good system for him.
Gasol was an allstar in memphis, but when he found the right system, the triangle offense in LA, he is even told to be the most talented big man in the world.
Kanter has a great feel of scoring, he just needs to improve his defence and get some experience
 
Kanter > Barnes ?

Maybe. He's not one to easily dismiss, regardless of our strength at the position.
 
Kanter easily could be the "next" Gasol.

But how do we know he isn't Darko? Wasn't Darko effective in the euroleague too? Have any of us actually seen Kanter play? Or just his highlight video from ONE game?

What about his knees? I've read scouting reports indicating that he's not very athletic.

While I think Calipari generally recruits top talent (Rose, Wall, Cousins, Knight, etc), I think Kanter is an extremely risky pick. How do we know that this guy is Gasol? How do we know he isn't Darko or Oden? I just wish he had been able to play this year in college so that we all could have seen his game, competitiveness, athleticism, and durability.
 
The Thriller said:
Kanter easily could be the "next" Gasol.

But how do we know he isn't Darko? Wasn't Darko effective in the euroleague too? Have any of us actually seen Kanter play? Or just his highlight video from ONE game?

What about his knees? I've read scouting reports indicating that he's not very athletic.

While I think Calipari generally recruits top talent (Rose, Wall, Cousins, Knight, etc), I think Kanter is an extremely risky pick. How do we know that this guy is Gasol? How do we know he isn't Darko or Oden? I just wish he had been able to play this year in college so that we all could have seen his game, competitiveness, athleticism, and durability.
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Good points, and the reasons why he will be available at 6. Who would you like instead assuming we stay where we're at?
 
fallenchicken said:
Good points, and the reasons why he will be available at 6. Who would you like instead assuming we stay where we're at?
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I'm really not sure. Who's even entering the draft? I know of two of the best players, Kemba and Sullinger, have "said" that they'd like to come back to school. Yet, that's a far cry from saying, "I'm not declaring for the NBA draft."

I'm not at all saying that we SHOULDN'T draft Kanter.

However, I think a big who we've never actually seen play, hasn't played a game in college, has a history of leg injuries, and whose athleticism is doubted, is an extremely risky pick.

I guess I'll take a stab at answering your question (even though I really don't know who we should take), I'd suggest we take the best ATHLETE available if there isn't really a clear best player available. Someone like Alec Burks or someone from Kentucky or UNC (they're all great athletes lol)
 
I would also consider Knight.

While I'm not a huge fan of taking a PG so high, I do believe his speed and quickness could create matchup problems. And we've all seen what speedy quick PGs can do in this league with guys like Ty Lawson, Tony Parker, Barera, Rondo, Westbrook, Wall, Jennings, CP3, and Rose.

I think a backcourt of Harris/Knight and Hayward could be a potent offensive backcourt.
 
Knight isn't that quick. I'm with your original inkling to not draft a PG top ten.

And regarding the Kanter thread and your question "how do we know he isn't Oden?" um, no one knew Oden was Oden. Dude - it's all guesswork. But the risks you point out are definitely of prime importance. That's why Kanter is such risk/reward prospect. It's a pretty nice reward, and if he'd played college ball like you wish he had then there might be no risk. Which might make him the number 1 pick and we wouldn't even have the chance to take the gamble.

The unknowns that scare some GMs away are where you can cash in on their fears. Ex: Paul Millsap. He had insane rebounding numbers for 3 years in college. But he was undersized. Risk/Reward. Of course, him being in the second round makes it a pretty minor risk as opposed to the 6th pick.

Sorry to get all remedial on you - I just keep hearing you naysay prospects based on unknowns.
 
The Thriller said:
I'm really not sure. Who's even entering the draft? I know of two of the best players, Kemba and Sullinger, have "said" that they'd like to come back to school. Yet, that's a far cry from saying, "I'm not declaring for the NBA draft."

I'm not at all saying that we SHOULDN'T draft Kanter.

However, I think a big who we've never actually seen play, hasn't played a game in college, has a history of leg injuries, and whose athleticism is doubted, is an extremely risky pick.

I guess I'll take a stab at answering your question (even though I really don't know who we should take), I'd suggest we take the best ATHLETE available if there isn't really a clear best player available. Someone like Alec Burks or someone from Kentucky or UNC (they're all great athletes lol)
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I guess this is why we drafted Kirk Snyder. Kevin Love is not a great athlete. Are you suggesting he should have not been drafted in the top 10. My current town of Memphis i guess thought trading for the better athlete was a good idea. (ok to really moan they could also have had Tyreke Evans if they did not go wacky.)
 
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