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Welcome to Election Day 2024,

When did you become such a doomer? Join a cult or something?

No clue why anyone would think Trump will dismantle social security. That’s definitely not happening. Trump TCJA was marginal help to low income seniors, marginal but everything helps when affording basics is tough. He campaigned on removing SS tax and also removing tax on treasuries which also helps pensioners. He’s not gutting social security.

Tariffs will make the economy fall apart? Pure fear mongering. I’m open to hearing the mechanics of how they’ll be so hurtful and not help, but nobody offering up much other than fear. Try reading Michael Pettis if this is a big concern. I think he could alleviate some fears, if not convince you to switch stances as he has so many others over last two decades. I haven’t read him comment on Smoot-Hawley but enough knowledge here to understand how silly comparing 1932 export powerhouse USA to 2024 high trade deficit importer USA is. Trade wars disproportionately affect surplus countries (the ones with jobs to lose). This is in part why it took the US until WWII to come out of the depression, where Europeans exited sooner.

Trade is not 100% of GDP and the potential inflation is being way overblown. Many of the Chinese manufacturers have high profit margins. Those will likely absorb the brunt of tariff increases on their products. Substitution and made at home can offset more. Imports are roughly 14% of GDP, so a 10% tariff could mean a 1.4% inflation bump on back of napkin. One time. Not compounding.

The current account must balance. This means we manufacture assets to make up the goods n services deficit. We are selling off $100 billion of our country per month, and have lost millions of jobs. This has gutted small town America as we had no retraining program to counter negative consequences of the Washington Consensus.


I found the part on reduced lifetime income important. That’s also loss of national income while increasing welfare load. Free trade is not one sided.

The worry that “they will retaliate” is backwards. Trump-Biden tariffs are the retaliation to Chinese beggar-thy-neighbor policies designed to gut US industry. Is your recommendation really do nothing? Not only have we allowed them to undercut our businesses through subsidy, theft, import controls, & artificial yen devaluation, there are big future problems with allowing this trend to continue. We lose knowledge and most importantly investment and innovation, lowering future competitiveness and economic security.

Responding to foreign mercantilism is patriotic. We can handle a tiny amount of incremental inflation. Call it an investment in our future.
Nobel prize winning economists disagree with you.

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So like I'm supposed to be understanding of why so many Americans voted for Trump and I can't assume it was because they are sympathetic to racism or misogyny, or just that they are angry because the society they live in expresses things that are different than what they want expressed, or that they are aggrieved by the reality that they are in a shrinking demographic which has previously used its power to oppress others. I have to invent a reason why all of these people are acting reasonably and rationally when they cannot themselves provide a coherent case for that?

It seems unfair to burden non-MAGA people with the requirement to be kind and sympathetic when MAGA does not place that burden on itself.
 
Just listened to Harris conceding speech. Was probably the only time she's sounded mostly genuine, pity she couldn't come across like this earlier. Also a pity she didn't do it last night
 
So like I'm supposed to be understanding of why so many Americans voted for Trump and I can't assume it was because they are sympathetic to racism or misogyny, or just that they are angry because the society they live in expresses things that are different than what they want expressed, or that they are aggrieved by the reality that they are in a shrinking demographic which has previously used its power to oppress others. I have to invent a reason why all of these people are acting reasonably and rationally when they cannot themselves provide a coherent case for that?

It seems unfair to burden non-MAGA people with the requirement to be kind and sympathetic when MAGA does not place that burden on itself.

maybe you could seek out some of those people and you know, ask them and listen >???
 
maybe you could seek out some of those people and you know, ask them and listen >???
I work with them. They spout off endlessly about this ****.

Knowing them and their actual opinions is not endearing. It is the opposite. The more I know MAGA supporters personally the less I like them and the less I like MAGA.
 
I work with them. They spout off endlessly about this ****.

Knowing them and their actual opinions is not endearing. It is the opposite. The more I know MAGA supporters personally the less I like them and the less I like MAGA.

is that many people though ?
 
I live in Utah and I work in a fairly misogynistic field. The company I work for now has 113 people doing the job I do and not one of them is a woman. Locker room talk is the normal talk,

fair call.

Dunno sometimes in life there are just people who aren't your people and there's no understanding those who don't see things your way. Some obviously have problematic issues but sometimes it is what it is and they're not bad people and that's ok

But yeah being that outnumbered in that kind of environment would suck
 
I work with them. They spout off endlessly about this ****.

Knowing them and their actual opinions is not endearing. It is the opposite. The more I know MAGA supporters personally the less I like them and the less I like MAGA.

Full on MAGA freaks are basically insufferable and there's no hope of communicating there. I think there's a decent amount of people who voted for Trump that are humans who are invested in the same basic principles that you and I are but have bought into some propaganda. A decent chance exists that they can be reasoned with and their energy can be redirected in a more productive direction.
 
Full on MAGA freaks are basically insufferable and there's no hope of communicating there. I think there's a decent amount of people who voted for Trump that are humans who are invested in the same basic principles that you and I are but have bought into some propaganda. A decent chance exists that they can be reasoned with and their energy can be redirected in a more productive direction.
I no longer have the patience to flip anyone. In real life I just avoid any political conversation at all costs.
 
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