Absolutely. 100%. That or they're shockingly unaware of his transgressions.
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Absolutely. 100%. That or they're shockingly unaware of his transgressions.
Zombie
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I don't think Kamala vilifying Trump too much for voters to stomach had much, if any impact. The major issue for her I think is that she was part of an unpopular and ineffective administration, and wasn't offering/communicating a vision for this country that was distinct from that.
Whether or not Trump's agenda will ease the financial strain many Americans are under is pretty immaterial to his electoral success, the average voter is either happy with how things are going, or they're not- and will vote accordingly.
Another issue for Democrats is that they campaign like its 2010, they rely too much on a good ground game and legacy media outlets, while Republicans dominate online spaces (youtube, social media, podcasts etc). They also have not come to terms with the fact that we live in a post truth world, reality matters much less than messaging. Take Trump's positioning himself as a foreign policy dove for example. Dude ramped up drone strikes to a level that would make Obama blush, ordered missile strikes in Syria, and shows no inkling of a desire to reign in Israel's genocidal rampage, but he calls himself a peacemaker and people just buy it. The problem is that Democrats, again, offer no viable alternative.
Whether or not Trump's agenda will ease the financial strain many Americans are under is pretty immaterial to his electoral success, the average voter is either happy with how things are going, or they're not- and will vote accordingly.
Another issue for Democrats is that they campaign like its 2010, they rely too much on a good ground game and legacy media outlets, while Republicans dominate online spaces (youtube, social media, podcasts etc). They also have not come to terms with the fact that we live in a post truth world, reality matters much less than messaging. Take Trump's positioning himself as a foreign policy dove for example. Dude ramped up drone strikes to a level that would make Obama blush, ordered missile strikes in Syria, and shows no inkling of a desire to reign in Israel's genocidal rampage, but he calls himself a peacemaker and people just buy it. The problem is that Democrats, again, offer no viable alternative.
The fact that people have widely divergent interpretations of our current reality is to be expected. I don't think the differences can be entirely reconciled. They ultimately stem from having divergent world-views.
Safetydan
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Democrats are shockingly out of touch.
I'll also add that playing yourself as the peaceful, no-war guy could have been a lot harder if dem leadership wasn't what it has been the last few decades. Can we get an arms embargo, please? No
Bawse Dawg
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Oof
Safetydan
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IDK, He's the most likable figure in all of this but now he has the stink of this L on him forever.
There is actually a deeper conflict at play. Yes, for most moderate voters, independents and low-propensity voters, the current economic climate, uncontrolled mass immigration, the threat of escalating war, etc. would make it difficult, if not impossible, for an incumbent administration seeking re-election. It's the proverbial, "Are things better now than 4 years ago?" question, and that did set off alarms for Democrats.
However, something bigger is going on. There are actually two distinct versions of the United States of America currently. One is a constitutional republic established in 1787 at the Constitutional Convention. The other is a corporation established in 1871 by European banking interests operating through the City of London, which later established the Federal Reserve system in 1913. These two entities have been in dispute. The 'Trump' movement involves a reversion back to the former from the latter. It represents far more than Trump as a political personality. It'll be interesting to see how smoothly things go from here, but the globalists have been defeated at this point.
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Yep. One was immediately after a trump term.
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Funny that you think Twitter is a more credible news source than Fox News.
Who owns Twitter anyway?
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Zombie
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Exactly! They can’t combat this narrative without drawing attention to their own dismal record. Maybe if they’d had an actual primary we could have ended up with a candidate who was willing to call Israel out on their ****, and not someone who paraded around Dick ****ing Cheney of all people.
"current reality"? "world views"?
Like these 100 thing that your guy said? Anything here that you can defend Ferguson? There's 100 of them and that doesn't even scratch the surface of The Rapist's insanity. Again, you're a terrible person. You can delude yourself by chalking your support of The Rapist up to your "world view" or "current reality" but that doesn't change the fact that you're a pathetic, hollow soul.
The 100 Worst Things Trump Has Done Since Descending That Escalator
Some were just embarrassing. Many were horrific. All of them should disqualify him from another four years in the White House.
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96. Tells Boy Scouts About a Sex Party on a Yacht
In July 2017, Trump gave what still might be his weirdest speech. Appearing before 24,000 Boy Scouts in West Virginia, he ranted about Obamacare, the “fake news” media, and the “cesspool” of Washington, D.C., for over 30 minutes. But the weirdest moment came when he alluded to a fellow real estate developer having wild, seemingly sex-fueled parties on his yacht in the 1970s.—A.S.
87. Hell Is Other People
Trump went out of his way to hurt the late Representative John Dingell’s wife, Michigan Representative Debbie Dingell, in a December 2019 Battle Creek rally, implying that the widow’s recently deceased husband was “looking up” at her from Hell. (Apropos of nothing in particular, you all realize that when Trump dies, he’s going to lie in state, right? There’s going to be a big ceremony in Washington, and all the living presidents will have to make a speech. That’s going to be wild.)—J.L.
13. Nary Fine People
History remembers the white supremacist goons who participated in the ill-fated “Unite the Right” rally as violent extremists who terrorized the University of Virginia campus and murdered counterdemonstrator Heather Heyer on Charlottesville’s downtown mall. After a protracted legal process and concomitant P.R. nightmare, they became defeated losers. But for a while, according to Trump, they were “very fine people.” This is history that Trump’s right-wing allies have endeavored so desperately to revise, but Trump’s inability to properly repudiate bigots and do much more than send encouragement to the most dangerous among them goes a long way to explaining why ambient political violence is one of few things Trump has been able to manufacture.—J.L.
10. The Century Club of Environmental Rollbacks
That was the final tally at the close of Trump’s term: 98 environmental rules that Trump “officially reversed, revoked or otherwise rolled back,” according to The New York Times. (The Washington Post put the number at more than 125.) Nearly a third of these pertained to air pollution, such as Trump’s rolling back Obama-era standards for vehicle emissions and fuel efficiency. Other lowlights include removing protections for over half the country’s wetlands, as well as weakening wildlife protections to allow for more oil and gas leasing. Perhaps the most reckless move, however, was to kill Obama’s Clean Power Plan even though the administration’s own analysis found that it would cause 1,400 more deaths per year.—R.K.
1. A Day That Lives in Infamy—or So We Hope
President Trump’s speech at the Ellipse on January 6, 2021, began, as his speeches often do, with a lie: “We have hundreds of thousands of people here.” He would also lie about the 2020 election, claiming there was massive fraud and that he didn’t lose. But on this day, such bluster would be the least of Trump’s offenses, as he ended his speech vowing to “fight like hell” and imploring the crowd to walk with him down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol—“to try and give [Republicans] the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.” The crowd obeyed, of course, and so began the first attempted coup in U.S. history, which would leave thousands traumatized, hundreds injured, and several dead. Never forget, truly.—R.K.
Al-O-Meter
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Yes Please!! I want that! He'll win for sure!!
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