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[Jamezz]

Yay! Ad hominem!



But that's the point. Everyone says, "Oh, SOMEONE would shoot at cops, but not me..."

I'm saying it's a red herring. And, again, as has been mentioned before, the concept that people would disobey laws, even violently, has never been a reason not to enact them.

Thanks for your input Stalin.

 

[Stoked]

Yay! Ad hominem!



But that's the point. Everyone says, "Oh, SOMEONE would shoot at cops, but not me..."

I'm saying it's a red herring. And, again, as has been mentioned before, the concept that people would disobey laws, even violently, has never been a reason not to enact them.

Except that some one always does. Especially in the current trend of anti police sentiment (not getting into why its increasing). Hell some cops are being lured into ambushes and shot in their cars now.

Especially when you have officers publicly saying that they would refuse such an order. Then what?

 

[gandalfe]

Except that some one always does. Especially in the current trend of anti police sentiment (not getting into why its increasing). Hell some cops are being lured into ambushes and shot in their cars now.

Especially when you have officers publicly saying that they would refuse such an order. Then what?

And that is an interesting question. Much like Kim Davis, what do you do when a public official refuses to follow the law?

 

[gandalfe]

Thanks for your input Stalin.

First off, do you understand what an ad hominem is, and why it's useless in a debate?

Secondly, are you saying then that we should ONLY enact laws that everyone will follow?

 

[gandalfe]

How many burglars get shot by people versus people who get shot by burglars? Since you don't like dealing in absolutes, maybe we should look at statistics. In other words, surely we can get some sort of an idea of how likely a gun in the hands of the homeowner is to prevent a robbery.

I know that I have seen statistics on it, but am too lazy to look it up at the moment. My recollection is that you are far more likely to have your own gun used on you than use it against an intruder, but that was years ago, and I don't know what the numbers say currently.

 

[fishonjazz]

A CC permit hold could very well have their firearm on them.

In my case they are in my bed side safe. 4 key strokes and it opens and my weapon is right there. Already loaded with no safety. I have dogs so will be awoken and most likely have time to retrieve my weapon before confronting a thief. I doubt they rush straight to my room in the 15 seconds it takes to get my weapon.

But anything can happen and I pray I never have to find out.

Good response.
My scenario is similar. I have a handgun a few steps away from my bed too and a dog that would alert me.

The key is the dog. Without the dog maybe you never wake up to retrieve the gun

 

[fishonjazz]

So every time your dogs bark in the night, you wake up and reach straight for the pistol?

I actually do. It's rare that he barks in the night but when he does I take it serious

 

[enchilada_style]

Yikes to this thread.

 

[RandyForRubio]

You're a tad bit of an extremist here. I don't think anybody has said killing people is cool, or fun, or that they want to. People that think like that, they're not ok in the head. Have you had any experience with guns? Ever shot one? I'm just curious what your experience with them is, outside of what you hear on the news.

Jim, still waiting on a response.

But let's figure this out: what are we banning and why?

And if anybody could answer this, I think that would be quite helpful.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Soooooo are we just going to ignore that this dude was explicitly targeting Christians? Anybody today who is killing people because they don't agree with their belief sets, that's a messed up person.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Anybody today who is killing people [is] a messed up person.

Shouldn't that be your actual response?

 

[RandyForRubio]

Shouldn't that be your actual response?

Well, not really. Some people have to kill during their job. Policeman, soldiers, etc.

I would imagine it messes with their pic hey for sure, but I also wouldn't compare it to a murderer. I was trying to make that distinction without using a lot of words. Obviously some people in those roles abuse that power, and that is messed up and wrong. But you know what I'm saying here.