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Well...so much for trading AK.

billyshelby said:
I would guess he's going to want something around Okur money. I would also guess the Jazz offer slightly less. They should basically be offering something around 4 years that barely averages out to 9 (Odom money.) They could also do a 5 year deal with lower averaged salaries for the extra guaranteed money, or a higher 3 year deal.
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If we re-sign AK to anything even remotely close to Odom money, we're ****ing retarded.
 
Maybe I should clarify. I think a deal averaged at 9 is the upper limit of what the Jazz should offer. Turkoglu was overpaid. Odom might be a little overpaid, but the Lakers structured his contract well (3rd year salary at 9, 4th year team option.) In next year's thin FA market, AK will get paid at around those numbers. His agent is going to have those numbers real handy in negotiations. So they're going to be floating around in the room. The Jazz should try 4 @ 32. I think they should settle with 4 @ 36 if they have to, others will disagree.
 
Marcus said:
I want to know what everyone's idea of cheap is and how it compares to what AK thinks cheap is. I have a sneaky feeling that it's quite a wide gap.
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IAWTP.
Kind of like what Mattthews really meant by saying he would have taken less to re-sign with Utah.
 
billyshelby said:
Maybe I should clarify. I think a deal averaged at 9 is the upper limit of what the Jazz should offer. Turkoglu was overpaid. Odom might be a little overpaid, but the Lakers structured his contract well (3rd year salary at 9, 4th year team option.) In next year's thin FA market, AK will get paid at around those numbers. His agent is going to have those numbers real handy in negotiations. So they're going to be floating around in the room. The Jazz should try 4 @ 32. I think they should settle with 4 @ 36 if they have to, others will disagree.
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Again, if we re-sign AK to anything even remotely close to Odom money, we're ****ing retarded. You can say he'll get paid that because of a weak FA class next year (which it's not--Carmello, Ming, Perkins, Horford, etc.) but look at what somewhat similar players like Artest and Ariza got. Not 9 per. If we choose to even go 7M per, we're ****ing retarded. The eunuch has no heart, misses 20+ games a year, can't shoot, can't be depended on because of all of the above, and his signing will kill us in trying to get a legit defensive 5 (i.e., Perkins) while Williams is entering and in the prime of his career, or even worse, hinder our ability to re-sign Williams or Jefferson when that time comes.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
Again, if we re-sign AK to anything even remotely close to Odom money, we're ****ing retarded. You can say he'll get paid that because of a weak FA class next year (which it's not--Carmello, Ming, Perkins, Horford, etc.) but look at what somewhat similar players like Artest and Ariza got. Not 9 per. If we choose to even go 7M per, we're ****ing retarded. The eunuch has no heart, misses 20+ games a year, can't shoot, can't be depended on because of all of the above, and his signing will kill us in trying to get a legit defensive 5 (i.e., Perkins) while Williams is entering and in the prime of his career, or even worse, hinder our ability to re-sign Williams or Jefferson when that time comes.
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I don't see Utah having cap space to sign anyone more than the MLE next year. They already have two max deals in DW and AJ. Based on info right now, I agree that 7 or 8 million is a good price tag for Kiri. If he does well, I hope that he considers staying.

Yet another example of a player who has been content playing in Utah--even though he's had his own drama and injury history.
 
AK is not worth 7, 8 or 9 million dollars a year. Considering his injuries and his declining production, the MLE is about all he is worth. Personally, I would be ok if he went somewhere else. The current AK is replaceable and for years many Jazz fans have overrated him.
 
cowhide said:
AK is not worth 7, 8 or 9 million dollars a year. Considering his injuries and his declining production, the MLE is about all he is worth. Personally, I would be ok if he went somewhere else. The current AK is replaceable and for years many Jazz fans have overrated him.
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Many Jazz fans have overrated him? Maybe the many know more than the few.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
Again, if we re-sign AK to anything even remotely close to Odom money, we're ****ing retarded. You can say he'll get paid that because of a weak FA class next year (which it's not--Carmello, Ming, Perkins, Horford, etc.) but look at what somewhat similar players like Artest and Ariza got. Not 9 per. If we choose to even go 7M per, we're ****ing retarded. The eunuch has no heart, misses 20+ games a year, can't shoot, can't be depended on because of all of the above, and his signing will kill us in trying to get a legit defensive 5 (i.e., Perkins) while Williams is entering and in the prime of his career, or even worse, hinder our ability to re-sign Williams or Jefferson when that time comes.
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The injuries are the biggest factor the Jazz have to weigh in an offer. Hard to say how that affects the price. The players you mention do help to set the bottom price, although Ariza was an MLE player paid for potential, not actual production. Artest is a freak of nature who arguably took less to play for the Lakers, but whose attitude wasn't going to net him a big deal. AK is more productive than both those guys, anyway. Every team in the league would be interested in him at MLE money. So the going rate is higher. How high is hard to say. But good luck finding guys who can put up his all around numbers at a discount price. They just aren't out there.
 
billyshelby said:
The injuries are the biggest factor the Jazz have to weigh in an offer. Hard to say how that affects the price. The players you mention do help to set the bottom price, although Ariza was an MLE player paid for potential, not actual production. Artest is a freak of nature who arguably took less to play for the Lakers, but whose attitude wasn't going to net him a big deal. AK is more productive than both those guys, anyway. Every team in the league would be interested in him at MLE money. So the going rate is higher. How high is hard to say. But good luck finding guys who can put up his all around numbers at a discount price. They just aren't out there.
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Re-signing him would prohibit us from ever being able to get a legit defensive 5 like we so badly need imo. Barring a Millsap for Gortat swap or something like that.
 
InGameStrategy said:
I don't see Utah having cap space to sign anyone more than the MLE next year. They already have two max deals in DW and AJ. Based on info right now, I agree that 7 or 8 million is a good price tag for Kiri. If he does well, I hope that he considers staying.

Yet another example of a player who has been content playing in Utah--even though he's had his own drama and injury history.
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And this is why we need to dump Memo for nothing. **** what he's done for us. Nostalgia hinders your ability to move forward. Get him out off here, let AK expire and we'll be 27M better off to go after a legit center AND then re-up AK at around 3 years, 21M. Even after all that, we'd be monetarily in a better situation and have an infinitely better team.
 
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