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Wells Report concluded that the Patriots violated rules and Tom Brady was aware

Howard said:
You're right man. Several years worth of data means nothing. ****, it's crazy how a guy like Benjarvus Green-Ellis never fumbled in NE, and then magically fumbled something like 5 times in 2 years with Cinci. Pure coincidence.
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Marshawn lynch fumbled twice more as a seahawk than as a bill. i guess bills deflate footballs too.
and by your logic, stevan ridley shouldn't fumble so damn much. after all he is playing with a deflated football.

taking care of the football is patriot's #1 objective. Brady is allergic to throwing INTs. a great team takes care of football.
 
jazzman12 said:
Mark me down as a guy who thinks Brady deserves the 4 game suspension (if not more) for messing with the integrity of the game. Do others do it? Absolutely, but they didn't get caught. Brady did, time to pay the price and for the NFL to make an example of somebody in an effort to dissuade things like this from happening again.

Also mark me down as a guy who is PRAYING that Brady loses his appeal and decides to sue the NFL. The thing about Brady refusing to provide select text messages and a 2nd interview for the Wells Report is that the NFL does not have subpoena power, thus they couldn't force him to show anything. The second Brady takes the NFL to court, the league gets to subpoena those records in an effort to defend their decision. I'd love for the NFL to get full, unimpeded access to Brady's phone.
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again you are accusing a guy with a zero evidence. seriously. if brady ordered them to deflated the ball to below 12.5 then fine. suspend him. but the league can't prove brady ordered them.
 
Howard said:
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The Patriots probably weren't cheating though guys. This probably had little to no effect guys.

I love Patriots fans.
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and this only counts the 'lost fumble'.


and hey look, i guess peyton manning deflates his football too.

2009-2013 Patriots: 156 plays/fumble
2006-2010 Colts: 156 plays/fumble

4 year stretch and same number.

great teams with great QBs turn the ball less. and that helps the fumble rate Because, Manning and Brady are generally among the quickest in football at getting rid of the ball when dropping back to throw - always in top 3 in that category.
 
is this mean ravens and giants defated their footballs too?

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Fabtrey said:
you obviously didn't read the report. it's an evidence of 2 employees texting to each other. show me where brady told them to deflate the ball.
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Well conveniently Brady refused to cooperate. IMO this suspension has as much to do with that as proof that he knew. But I'll ask you what I have never seen a good answer to. Do you think the QB could fail to notice that the ball was underinflated? And WTF would these 2 nobodies care about the air pressure?
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When I play basketball you can tell the ball is under inflated in seconds. The defense of the Colts realized it was deflated when they picked it off. They had noticed in a previous game that it was deflated. So how the **** can the guy who handles the ball 70+ times a game not realize it. In summary thinking he didn't know is naïve.
 
Brady is so hated because

1. let's be honest. he looks like a GQ model.
2. he dates supermodels
3. he acts arrogant on the football field
4. he beats your team all the time
5. he wears uggs

it's so easy to hate him.
 
Fabtrey said:
Brady is so hated because

1. let's be honest. he looks like a GQ model.
2. he dates supermodels
3. he acts arrogant on the football field
4. he beats your team all the time
5. he wears uggs

it's so easy to hate him.
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6. he cheats
7. he plays for a cheater (Belicheck)
8. He's a pompous prick.
9. and he's good.
I understand there are reasons to hate him. But he cheated here. I'll say again to think he didn't know/ order it is naïve. I think this goes to the integrity of the game every bit as much as the Saints fiasco and spy gate. How Belicheat gets away without a punishment in this is a joke. Brady deserved at least these 4 games for not cooperating. I'll say that if the NFL felt they had 100% proof that Brady did this he'd be out for an entire year. The fact that it is even a little questionable probably saved him 12 games of suspension. To me this is worse than players using a little pot in their free time. Because that has no effect on the actual games and this does.
 
gregbroncs said:
6. he cheats
7. he plays for a cheater (Belicheck)
8. He's a pompous prick.
9. and he's good.
I understand there are reasons to hate him. But he cheated here. I'll say again to think he didn't know/ order it is naïve. I think this goes to the integrity of the game every bit as much as the Saints fiasco and spy gate. How Belicheat gets away without a punishment in this is a joke. Brady deserved at least these 4 games for not cooperating. I'll say that if the NFL felt they had 100% proof that Brady did this he'd be out for an entire year. The fact that it is even a little questionable probably saved him 12 games of suspension. To me this is worse than players using a little pot in their free time. Because that has no effect on the actual games and this does.
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except that you have no factual evidence that he cheated. belichick is probably the greatest QB in this generation in all sports. just a great coach a master of his craft. spygate also was a joke - taping a guy in front of 80k people was a common practice. ask jimmy johnson and bill cowher about it.

MJ was a pompous prick, but america loved him. If MJ looked like brady, people would not have loved him as much.

jealousy is a nasty !@#ch.


anyway throwing deflated football is a disadvantage
 
gregbroncs said:
Well conveniently Brady refused to cooperate. IMO this suspension has as much to do with that as proof that he knew. But I'll ask you what I have never seen a good answer to. Do you think the QB could fail to notice that the ball was underinflated? And WTF would these 2 nobodies care about the air pressure?
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When I play basketball you can tell the ball is under inflated in seconds. The defense of the Colts realized it was deflated when they picked it off. They had noticed in a previous game that it was deflated. So how the **** can the guy who handles the ball 70+ times a game not realize it. In summary thinking he didn't know is naïve.
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you conveniently not read pats rebuttal then. Brady didn't have to give up his phone because wells already had those 2 ball boys phone.

obviously refs didn't notice the ball being under inflated. i mean brady cheated for 15 years right? or at least since 2006? all those DBs who caught brady's INTs, and every refs who handled the ball didn't notice it until now.

and go buy a football and feel the difference between 11.5 vs 12.5 you can't even tell the difference.
 
Fabtrey said:
again you are accusing a guy with a zero evidence. seriously. if brady ordered them to deflated the ball to below 12.5 then fine. suspend him. but the league can't prove brady ordered them.
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I feel like the Wells report has enough evidence in it to show Brady was knowingly part of what was going on. Again, my hope is that Brady sues the NFL and his phone records/emails/text messages are subpoena'd. My guess is, you'll see Brady accept whatever goes down in his appeal, because anybody with common sense can see he's guilty as **** and wants no part of the judicial system actually seeing the evidence.
 
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