What’s the point of this season?

[outerspacefan]

This season probably will end up being as pointless as last season.
Hopefully we will be as bad as we appear to be so the full tank just prevails on it's own (de)merit in spite of Jazz brass horrendous decision making and lack of balls.

 

[FrenchJazzFa]

Let's wait 10 more games before we know. If we really bad, then go full tank. Trade KO, Sexton or JC and go for 20 win.

 

[Miggs]

I’m sitting here watching the Spurs already looking good to go with Wemby and I’m wondering if weren’t going to be good for 2-3 years, why didn’t we tank properly last year for a chance at Wemby?

We’re we too scared to upset Adam Silver?

The Spurs are 0-1 and have four straight seasons of under 35 wins.

Hardy had 37 in his first season last year.

Take a deep breath. Have a warm glass of milk. Do something.

 

[FrenchJazzFa]

I still thinking the last year strategy was nor as efficient as it could be. Mike play well until get traded, Lauri way too good to allow the team to be bad. DA make aall he could to make us worst, just did not work as expected. This year is another year where we have the same question. Running for play in or tanking as much as we can. I think next 10-15 game will answer this question.

 

[fishonjazz]

I’m on record saying that this season could end up just like last season in the same pattern. But I don’t feel like that’s some genius hot take. The roster is pretty much the same, or at least on the same level. Is there a good reason to think that this year will be different?

The difference this year is that the schedule is very hard at the beginning and we won’t get warm and fuzzy feelings for not completely sucking. So the turn to tanking could happen earlier.

Another couple of differences are a perceived to be weaker draft and we owe our pick to okc and we didnt basically trade our entire roster and get a new coach and gm last off season.


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[fishonjazz]

If the goal was playoffs we probably needed to call Jrue's bluff and done the trade without the assurances of re-signing. If the goal is a top 5 pick we will likely need to move off of a vet or two but nothing wild... trade KO, THT or Sexton, play Taylor and Sensabaugh in any roster holes that creates. Probably enough to land top (bottom) 5.

Trade clarkson too


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[underdog]

Yeah that was a good piece of work with JC's contract....but still haha.

Maybe I'm being too harsh on the FO for being "idle". The truth might actually be that they tried for some bigger fish and just ended up failing. We know they wanted Porzingis and Holiday, who knows what other stars Danny almost acquired. I think it's a totally legit strategy to say, "we're only trading for a big fish"....but when you strike out, you strike out and you have this unspectacular team. So the failure might not be from coasting, but just not being able to score from the goal line.

I think we will sit in limbo until we find our big fish trade. Having Lauri makes it fairly difficult to tank, but Lauri is also the guy you tank for so I'm not too bothered. But the clock is ticking and while stars seem to move like crazy these days who knows who will actually become available.

I think Danny was also after Marcus Smart.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Trade clarkson too

How about Collins? Lauri? Both are useful vet assets for carrying out a scorched-earth rebuild who will only make it harder to bottom out if they play. They're on the wrong timeline too.

I'm playing devil's advocate here because I'm genuinely interested in the logic of the kind of mid-season U-turn some people keep suggesting in case we have a terrible start. Like last season, Lauri in particular is the elephant in the room who's complicating everything.

Collins won't fit a tank project either. I don't think he's interested in the kind of multiyear losing streak we're talking about here. He wanted a fresh start, and standing in the corner spacing the floor for a bunch of youngins probably isn't his idea of a good time.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

How about Collins? Lauri? Both are useful vet assets for carrying out a scorched-earth rebuild who will only make it harder to bottom out if they play. They're on the wrong timeline too.

I'm playing devil's advocate here because I'm genuinely interested in the logic of the kind of mid-season U-turn some people keep suggesting in case we have a terrible start. Like last season, Lauri in particular is the elephant in the room who's complicating everything.

Collins won't fit a tank project either. I don't think he's interested in the kind of multiyear losing streak we're talking about here. He wanted a fresh start, and standing in the corner spacing the floor for a bunch of youngins probably isn't his idea of a good time.

i'd be on board with trading Collins if they want to go tank mode, but you can keep Lauri (and i believe you should) and still tank hard. Lauri is good, but he's not good enough to carry Key, Sensabaugh, Hendricks, Juzang, Fontecchio and Potter to more than ~20 wins.

 

[gomretat]

My two cents. The Jazz FO in the past had a plan. The current front office is opportunistic. I am sure they have a general idea of where they want to go but they pursue options that seem like a good deal and then figure out how to make it work. I am in the great minority but I still see no reason that we traded both Donny and Rudy. I get why we needed to get rid of one of them. We got "assets" that people fell in love with and as part of the process we lost relevance in any kind of win/loss or playoff conversation. It is weird to me that people are more excited about trade deadlines and draft day than they are about winning. I have no problem with a rebuild and have lived through several of those in my time as a Jazz fan. The question I have from a fan standpoint is, how long with the fans be fine with this process and not being good when it it was all self inflicted? Getting players like Rudy and Donny in Utah is not an easy thing to do. I still wonder what could have been if we had hung on to one of them and made trade and asset accumulation around making a great team instead of blowing it up while they were still in their prime. Flame away. I know it is an unpopular take.

 

[fishonjazz]

How about Collins? Lauri? Both are useful vet assets for carrying out a scorched-earth rebuild who will only make it harder to bottom out if they play. They're on the wrong timeline too.

I'm playing devil's advocate here because I'm genuinely interested in the logic of the kind of mid-season U-turn some people keep suggesting in case we have a terrible start. Like last season, Lauri in particular is the elephant in the room who's complicating everything.

Collins won't fit a tank project either. I don't think he's interested in the kind of multiyear losing streak we're talking about here. He wanted a fresh start, and standing in the corner spacing the floor for a bunch of youngins probably isn't his idea of a good time.

Ya, collins too. I like lauri and want to keep him though.

 

[fishonjazz]

My two cents. The Jazz FO in the past had a plan. The current front office is opportunistic. I am sure they have a general idea of where they want to go but they pursue options that seem like a good deal and then figure out how to make it work. I am in the great minority but I still see no reason that we traded both Donny and Rudy. I get why we needed to get rid of one of them. We got "assets" that people fell in love with and as part of the process we lost relevance in any kind of win/loss or playoff conversation. It is weird to me that people are more excited about trade deadlines and draft day than they are about winning. I have no problem with a rebuild and have lived through several of those in my time as a Jazz fan. The question I have from a fan standpoint is, how long with the fans be fine with this process and not being good when it it was all self inflicted? Getting players like Rudy and Donny in Utah is not an easy thing to do. I still wonder what could have been if we had hung on to one of them and made trade and asset accumulation around making a great team instead of blowing it up while they were still in their prime. Flame away. I know it is an unpopular take.

Its a fine take. I bet you would be super happy if we win a championship in 5 years due to those trades though.