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What are you going to do KOC kills the tank

franklin

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by signing veteran free agents?

Everyone seems to think tanking is set in stone. I'm worried it will get ugly when O'Connor fills out the roster.

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Where is the room for all these vet FA?

PG -
SG - Hayward, Burk, Murphy
SF - Williams, Neal
Pf - Favors, Evans
C - Kanter

Plus three draft picks = 11 players.

So, they need 1-3 players. I'd be surprised if DMC, and Tinsley aren't back. That's 13 players.

Also, other than Al, what FA is good enough to drastically change this team that would sign with us?

So, unless Al is back, we won't be very good.
 
Where is the room for all these vet FA?

PG -
SG - Hayward, Burk, Murphy
SF - Williams, Neal
Pf - Favors, Evans
C - Kanter

Plus three draft picks = 11 players.

So, they need 1-3 players. I'd be surprised if DMC, and Tinsley aren't back. That's 13 players.

Also, other than Al, what FA is good enough to drastically change this team that would sign with us?

So, unless Al is back, we won't be very good.

Nice analysis. Rep'd.
 
Where is the room for all these vet FA?

PG -
SG - Hayward, Burk, Murphy
SF - Williams, Neal
Pf - Favors, Evans
C - Kanter

Plus three draft picks = 11 players.

So, they need 1-3 players. I'd be surprised if DMC, and Tinsley aren't back. That's 13 players.

Also, other than Al, what FA is good enough to drastically change this team that would sign with us?

So, unless Al is back, we won't be very good.

Yeah, nice analysis.

Jazz need another 36 minutes at the PF-C spot. Williams is injured, and needs to be replaced anyway. Point guard, probably two until a rook can prove worthy of 15 minutes/game. Plenty of room to fill the roster, and even more to fill the talent gap.

Regardless, are you going to blow your cap if he brings in long term vets?
 
Yeah, nice analysis.

Jazz need another 36 minutes at the PF-C spot. Williams is injured, and needs to be replaced anyway. Point guard, probably two until a rook can prove worthy of 15 minutes/game. Plenty of room to fill the roster, and even more to fill the talent gap.

Regardless, are you going to blow your cap if he brings in long term vets?

I think with the Spurs model, you don't bring in long term vets. You build your young players, and make them "long term vets". Then you find complementary guys who can contribute and complement your "vets", but have them on shorter term deals.

Under the new CBA you can no longer have aging vets sitting on the bench & not contributing.
 
I think with the Spurs model, you don't bring in long term vets.QUOTE]

Stop worshiping luck and happenstance like it's the only model to emulate. If you do then you're going to end up the same way every other team trying to play catch up copycat has.

The Spurs were contenders forever just like the Jazz. Then Admiral went down and they struck draft lightening in Tim Duncan, who came out of the gate swinging, unlike most rooks.

If your whole goal is to Spurs "model" then you're more likely to end up like Clippers or Bobcats or Golden State. There's way too much luck involved to place the hopes of your dedicated fanbase on hitting double zero green, then disappointing.

Just my humble opinion.
 
^^^

I'm not worshipping the Spurs model, LOL...

I'm just saying with Dennis coming from that tree of thought, there is a high likelihood that that's the model he'll try to implement.

Just my humble opinion 2.
 
Yeah, nice analysis.

Jazz need another 36 minutes at the PF-C spot. Williams is injured, and needs to be replaced anyway. Point guard, probably two until a rook can prove worthy of 15 minutes/game. Plenty of room to fill the roster, and even more to fill the talent gap.

Regardless, are you going to blow your cap if he brings in long term vets?

I will find it very hard to not occupy my time with something other than jazz bball if he brings in long term, crappy vets. Especially if they play over favors and kanter. I think Hayward is pretty set as a starter, and burks will probably not get that much more of a chance on this team before he is traded or walks as a free agent.
 
I've been fearing this for a long time and I hope I get to be not scared or not mad anymore.
 
The good news is, we may be saved from some of KOC's horrible decisions with the Jazz signing Sloan as a consultant to evaluate trades/scouts, and overall business transactions.
 
Yeah, nice analysis.

Jazz need another 36 minutes at the PF-C spot. Williams is injured, and needs to be replaced anyway. Point guard, probably two until a rook can prove worthy of 15 minutes/game. Plenty of room to fill the roster, and even more to fill the talent gap.

Regardless, are you going to blow your cap if he brings in long term vets?

Probably.
 
Where is the room for all these vet FA?

PG -
SG - Hayward, Burk, Murphy
SF - Williams, Neal
Pf - Favors, Evans
C - Kanter

Plus three draft picks = 11 players.

So, they need 1-3 players. I'd be surprised if DMC, and Tinsley aren't back. That's 13 players.

Also, other than Al, what FA is good enough to drastically change this team that would sign with us?

So, unless Al is back, we won't be very good.


I don't think Murphy is guaranteed to come back. Neal 's contract might be partially guaranteed and is small enough to be included in a trade. However with 8 guys under contract that still leaves 5-7 spots. Not all three guys drafted are guaranteed to make the roster (especially pick #46). The Jazz might trade one of the picks or stash one over seas. SO there are still a lot of uncertainty with the roster and I still think the possibility of bringing rent of vets in exists.

Hopefully, Lindsey has convince the organization to be patient and the right thing to do is go young and build a championship team. This will be an interesting summer.
 
Some signing of vets is guaranteed. So that in and of itself will not make me blow my top. They key is how many, what positions they play and their level of talent.

For example there will be a big but will there be 2-3? Will there be a SG? Those things would be bad signs.
 
Yeah, nice analysis.

Jazz need another 36 minutes at the PF-C spot. Williams is injured, and needs to be replaced anyway. Point guard, probably two until a rook can prove worthy of 15 minutes/game. Plenty of room to fill the roster, and even more to fill the talent gap.

Regardless, are you going to blow your cap if he brings in long term vets?

I think the Jazz draft a big at #14, a pg at #21 and anything at #47. So, we look like this:

#21 pick
Hayward, Burks, Murphy or #47 pick
Williams, Neal
Favors, Evans
Kanter, #14 pick

Now, if they resign Tinsley and Foye (I think they do this is they dont take a SG at #47 and cut Murphy) and DMC we now have:

#21 pick, Tinsley, #47
Foye, Burks, Neal
Hayward, DMC, Williams
Favors, Evans
Kanter, #14

There is 13 players, and I think they still need another big. Anyways, that team still SUCKS.

Like I said, the only way we have a shot at the playoffs next year is if they bring Al back.

Please don't bring Al back.
 
I think the Jazz draft a big at #14, a pg at #21 and anything at #47. So, we look like this:

#21 pick
Hayward, Burks, Murphy or #47 pick
Williams, Neal
Favors, Evans
Kanter, #14 pick

Now, if they resign Tinsley and Foye (I think they do this is they dont take a SG at #47 and cut Murphy) and DMC we now have:

#21 pick, Tinsley, #47
Foye, Burks, Neal
Hayward, DMC, Williams
Favors, Evans
Kanter, #14

There is 13 players, and I think they still need another big. Anyways, that team still SUCKS.

Like I said, the only way we have a shot at the playoffs next year is if they bring Al back.

Please don't bring Al back.

I probably missed it but who is that?
 
I probably missed it but who is that?

No one knows. KOC signed him to a three year deal at the end of last year. I think it isn't guaranteed, but why sign him that long if you don't keep him around at least part of this year, right?
 
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