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What can we take away from this season?

KqWIN said:
Will post thoughts later, but gonna hijack this thread with some numbers. Will likely add more later/let me know if you'd like me to add or clarify anything. Sorry for formatting:

Pure RAPM Percentiles:
John Collins: 94 (Offense), 88 (Defense), 97 (Total)
Oscar Tshiebwe: 80 (Offense), 39 (Defense), 76 (Total)
Svi Mykhailiuk: 77 (Offense), 53 (Defense), 75 (Total)
KJ Martin: 75 (Offense), 26 (Defense), 66 (Total)
Collin Sexton: 76 (Offense), 32 (Defense), 70 (Total)
Elijah Harkless: 55 (Offense), 76 (Defense), 69 (Total)
Micah Potter: 63 (Offense), 58 (Defense), 64 (Total)
Walker Kessler: 60 (Offense), 59 (Defense), 62 (Total)
Lauri Markkanen: 71 (Offense), 14 (Defense), 45 (Total)
Taylor Hendricks: 29 (Offense), 66 (Defense), 38 (Total)
Jaden Springer: 14 (Offense), 81 (Defense), 31 (Total)
Jordan Clarkson: 23 (Offense), 24 (Defense), 17 (Total)
Kyle Filipowski: 32 (Offense), 9 (Defense), 15 (Total)
Isaiah Collier: 38 (Offense), 5 (Defense), 14 (Total)
Brice Sensabaugh: 36 (Offense), 1 (Defense), 5 (Total)
Johnny Juzang: 9 (Offense), 14 (Defense), 5 (Total)
Keyonte George: 54 (Offense), 0 (Defense), 3 (Total)
Cody Williams: 0 (Offense), 4 (Defense), 0 (Total)

xRAPM Percentiles

Walker Kessler: 77 (Offense), 88 (Defense), 87 (Total)
John Collins: 75 (Offense), 73 (Defense), 75 (Total)
Svi Mykhailiuk: 72 (Offense), 68 (Defense), 69 (Total)
Micah Potter: 41 (Offense), 67 (Defense), 53 (Total)
Taylor Hendricks: 48 (Offense), 64 (Defense), 55 (Total)
Jaden Springer: 48 (Offense), 60 (Defense), 53 (Total)
Lauri Markkanen: 94 (Offense), 54 (Defense), 84 (Total)
Elijah Harkless: 12 (Offense), 42 (Defense), 18 (Total)
Kyle Filipowski: 57 (Offense), 34 (Defense), 48 (Total)
Oscar Tshiebwe: 20 (Offense), 30 (Defense), 19 (Total)
KJ Martin: 61 (Offense), 29 (Defense), 46 (Total)
Johnny Juzang: 48 (Offense), 18 (Defense), 34 (Total)
Cody Williams: 12 (Offense), 14 (Defense), 10 (Total)
Jordan Clarkson: 37 (Offense), 12 (Defense), 22 (Total)
Isaiah Collier: 22 (Offense), 11 (Defense), 14 (Total)
Collin Sexton: 93 (Offense), 3 (Defense), 59 (Total)
Brice Sensabaugh: 62 (Offense), 0 (Defense), 17 (Total)
Keyonte George: 51 (Offense), 0 (Defense), 12 (Total)

EPM Actual

| Player Name | Offense | Defense | Total | eWins |
|-------------------|---------|---------|--------|---------|
| Walker Kessler | 0.06 | 1.54 | 1.60 | 5.16 |
| Lauri Markkanen | 1.68 | -0.59 | 1.09 | 4.08 |
| John Collins | 0.95 | -0.08 | 0.87 | 3.19 |
| Collin Sexton | 1.49 | -1.18 | 0.30 | 3.51 |
| Oscar Tshiebwe | -0.51 | -0.23 | -0.74 | 0.18 |
| Svi Mykhailiuk | -0.86 | -0.68 | -1.55 | 0.57 |
| Jaden Springer | -2.42 | 0.88 | -1.55 | 0.21 |
| Elijah Harkless | -2.47 | 0.69 | -1.78 | 0.06 |
| Jordan Clarkson | -0.51 | -1.29 | -1.80 | 0.78 |
| Brice Sensabaugh | -0.56 | -1.50 | -2.06 | 0.73 |
| Kyle Filipowski | -0.68 | -1.74 | -2.42 | 0.48 |
| Keyonte George | 0.12 | -2.71 | -2.59 | 0.50 |
| Johnny Juzang | -0.56 | -2.23 | -2.79 | 0.14 |
| Taylor Hendricks | -2.47 | -0.41 | -2.88 | 0.01 |
| Micah Potter | -2.29 | -0.64 | -2.93 | 0.03 |
| KJ Martin | -2.46 | -1.19 | -3.65 | -0.36 |
| Isaiah Collier | -3.01 | -1.73 | -4.73 | -1.90 |
| Josh Richardson | -3.98 | -1.15 | -5.13 | -0.15 |
| Cody Williams | -5.08 | -1.59 | -6.67 | -2.45 |

EPM Expected

| Player Name | OEPM | DEPM | EPM |
|---------------------|-------|-------|--------|
| Lauri Markkanen | 2.84 | -0.61 | 2.23 |
| John Collins | 1.37 | -0.25 | 1.12 |
| Walker Kessler | 0.02 | 0.80 | 0.81 |
| Collin Sexton | 1.85 | -1.35 | 0.50 |
| Svi Mykhailiuk | 0.15 | 0.00 | 0.15 |
| Jordan Clarkson | 0.26 | -1.38 | -1.12 |
| Kyle Filipowski | -0.37 | -1.09 | -1.46 |
| Elijah Harkless | -2.12 | 0.46 | -1.66 |
| Jaden Springer | -2.61 | 0.93 | -1.68 |
| Johnny Juzang | -0.44 | -1.76 | -2.20 |
| Oscar Tshiebwe | -1.49 | -0.90 | -2.39 |
| Taylor Hendricks | -1.60 | -0.87 | -2.47 |
| Keyonte George | -0.23 | -2.36 | -2.59 |
| Josh Richardson | -1.99 | -0.64 | -2.63 |
| Brice Sensabaugh | -0.89 | -1.79 | -2.68 |
| David Jones Garcia | -2.11 | -0.66 | -2.77 |
| Micah Potter | -2.02 | -0.78 | -2.81 |
| Kenyon Martin Jr. | -2.55 | -0.75 | -3.30 |
| Isaiah Collier | -2.21 | -1.17 | -3.38 |
| Jason Preston | -2.09 | -1.54 | -3.63 |
| Cody Williams | -4.29 | -1.60 | -5.90 |
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What's the difference between RAPM and xRAPM?
 
1. Kessler is very good. Cornerstone piece if we keep him.

2. IMO, there are no other sacred cows on the roster
 
bigmike said:
1. Kessler is very good. Cornerstone piece if we keep him.

2. IMO, there are no other sacred cows on the roster
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I don’t think Kessler is a “sacred cow” either. The effectiveness of players like him have been contextual for more than a decade. The best version of Walker is Gobert and the main concern with him is that you can play him off the floor and you can’t devote that kind of salary/minutes/reliance on a player like that while having serious championship aspirations.

How the Clippers use Zubac is essentially how you use Walker as a contender, so what are we willing to pay a guy that probably plays 20-28 minutes per game in the playoffs? I think his next contract is a huge, huge looming issue.
 
What I take away from this season is that we actually have a long, LONG way to go. We basically have 0 good, well-rounded players. Everyone is basically only effective on one side of the floor if effective at all, most of those players are neutral defenders at best, and we are missing any mentionable connective tissue. We don’t even know if we have any 3&D guys or glue guys. Our only good ballhandler/playmaker can’t shoot, our second-best passer is probably a rookie big who can’t currently defend.

That the Jazz actually suck should come as no surprise when you look at the record, but I think a lot of us have been laboring under a delusion if we think we’re going to make any real noise within the next five years unless we get insanely lucky.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I don’t think Kessler is a “sacred cow” either. The effectiveness of players like him have been contextual for more than a decade. The best version of Walker is Gobert and the main concern with him is that you can play him off the floor and you can’t devote that kind of salary/minutes/reliance on a player like that while having serious championship aspirations.

How the Clippers use Zubac is essentially how you use Walker as a contender, so what are we willing to pay a guy that probably plays 20-28 minutes per game in the playoffs? I think his next contract is a huge, huge looming issue.
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Oh yeah, he's definitely not. I'd like to keep him but would I include him in a trade for SGA or Jokic? Yes, lol.
 
Will remember this season as the lowest season in terms of games watch for me. I watch less than 40 games this year, 20 from Minny who are not good enough to give me some excitement, 15 from Jazz who were so bad that i fall asleep almost each time and 5 from Cavs, probably the most exciting i have seen this year. Hope we got Flagg and start again to play basketball next season.
 
FrenchJazzFa said:
Will remember this season as the lowest season in terms of games watch for me. I watch less than 40 games this year, 20 from Minny who are not good enough to give me some excitement, 15 from Jazz who were so bad that i fall asleep almost each time and 5 from Cavs, probably the most exciting i have seen this year. Hope we got Flagg and start again to play basketball next season.
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Also the lowest number of games watched by me in decades. I think I watched about 50 jazz games so far this year.
 
Just a fun fact... Stephon Castle is currently number one on the NBA Rookie Ladder rankings. His rookie stats are very closely in line with Keyonte's rookie stats. Keyonte has only taken small steps forward in his second year- so he could regress or break out going forward. I just thought it was nice to see that our 16th pick last year looked as good as the top rookie this year (although defense is not fully factored into that comparison). It is also nice to see that Isaiah and Flip are both now in the top 10 of the rookie rankings.
 
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