Fishsticks
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ShaaYYYEhaah... Original brah. How bout you come up with your own content you plagerizing biznitch. Got da massage?
What could we get for Hayward?
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ShaaYYYEhaah... Original brah. How bout you come up with your own content you plagerizing biznitch. Got da massage?
Crawlnstall
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I really like Hayward, but his games have been awful. I've been to about 5 games this season, and every single one he has sucked it up bad. You know his confidence has gotta be shot after his poor play, and Gordo is a player who really, really relies on his confidence
Hayward doesn't suck. He is just being asked to do too much. He is a complimentary player and not a star. He should get paid around $8 million but because it is the NBA he will get more. If he is asking for $12 million then the Jazz should trade his butt to get something in return. However, I think he can play an important role on this team as a 2nd or 3rd option depending on the circumstances of each game. Same with Alec Burks, he is just as inconsistent as Hayward and is a complimentary player who is a great candidate for the 6th man role. Burks is worth about $6-7 million dollars right now if he were to get a new contract. Again I am sure he might get paid more but he has to become more consistent to do so. IF he wants more than that then he needs to be traded too.
These guys need to realize that they have it pretty good in Utah. Right now there is little pressure to perform and they have spots/playing time on a NBA roster. Who knows what happens if they get traded and then get lost in the shuffle of their new team. It is just ridiculous to trade Hayward because he has had a batch of bad games especially considering who the Jazz have to replace his productivity. Do you really want Rush or Jefferson to get more minutes?
These guys need to realize that they have it pretty good in Utah. Right now there is little pressure to perform and they have spots/playing time on a NBA roster. Who knows what happens if they get traded and then get lost in the shuffle of their new team. It is just ridiculous to trade Hayward because he has had a batch of bad games especially considering who the Jazz have to replace his productivity. Do you really want Rush or Jefferson to get more minutes?
No, it was quite clear that he did NOT get as big of an offer as Favors.
Here's the info I remember reading over the summer:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ward-cant-work-out-extension-deal.html?pg=all
So Hayward was hoping for more than what Favors got, I'm guessing probably just a bit more than that, but the Jazz were several millions dollar lower than that.
According to https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/UTA.html, Favors got right around $12 mill/year for 4 years. So Hayward was probably asking for $12-13 million/year (which also fits with the "somewhere less than Paul George" comment, since George signed for $16 mill/year), and the Jazz were offering $2-3 million lower than that, i.e. about $10 million.
Julie Greengiant
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you can't trade a player when he is in a slump. you won't get anything back.
He's sure doing everything in his power to ruin that perception this season
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DutchJazzer
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he is being miss-used.
just like millsap was being miss-used last year.
for some reason alfense and hayfense. ****s players up.
you wanna know why because it is a one option offense.
we need to get a real coach then evaluate the talent
Normally I would neg you with a comment about "Right, "next year", right C.J. Miles fan?" but in this case, I agree with you 100%. (dear Gordon, I feel like I need to bathe myself in fire now)
Thankfully someone said it before I had to. This guy and Yammers are really upping the ****ty post ante this season.
What the hell did you just say? What's an alfense and hayfense?
Hotdog
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My theories on Haywords struggles.
1. His hair do sucks *** and makes him look like a ferry. So players dont respect him. Plus it probably gets in his eyes when he shoots.
2. His wannabe beard also makes him look like douche. Probably loses respect for that too.
3. His girl is too hot. Once you achieve getting a great piece of *** then you have nothing else to work for in life. You are at peace with everything and dont care about nothing. So he probably doesn't practice, and he is probably thinking about it as he plays too.
4. He is really greedy and cares more about money than the game probably.
Having said that, I like Hayward. I hope he stays. But only for the right cost. How much he is paid will determine how much we like him. He is good for the 9th overall pick, and about 8-10 mil a year, but if he thinks he should get paid like an allstar then he is crazy. He'll be lucky to make one allstar game.
1. His hair do sucks *** and makes him look like a ferry. So players dont respect him. Plus it probably gets in his eyes when he shoots.
2. His wannabe beard also makes him look like douche. Probably loses respect for that too.
3. His girl is too hot. Once you achieve getting a great piece of *** then you have nothing else to work for in life. You are at peace with everything and dont care about nothing. So he probably doesn't practice, and he is probably thinking about it as he plays too.
4. He is really greedy and cares more about money than the game probably.
Having said that, I like Hayward. I hope he stays. But only for the right cost. How much he is paid will determine how much we like him. He is good for the 9th overall pick, and about 8-10 mil a year, but if he thinks he should get paid like an allstar then he is crazy. He'll be lucky to make one allstar game.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Huh? It could be just the opposite: if George got $16M/per and Hayward wanted "somehat" less, maybe he asked for $13-14M/per. If he asked for the upper range, Jazz could have offered same deal as Favors and still have been several million dollars apart (on a per season basis). Also, the several million apart doesn't specify per year or total contract. Maybe Hayward wanted $70M on his contract and the Jazz offered $60-$65 ($12-$13M per). That's several million less.
I'm too lazy to look it up, but an earlier report was that the Jazz either offered (or were planning to offer) about the same terms as Favors received. In which case, it would be several million under the deal George signed on both a per season and total contract basis. Not saying it's logical, but any decent agent would bring draft position into any contract discussion and try to get Gordon closer to Paul's contract, especially given the fact Hayward is such an essential part of the team and was going to be the #1 scoring option and #1 playmaker.
Whatever it was, we'll know this off-season what Hayward's market value is. And I think that's ultimately what both Gordon and the Jazz agreed upon: if Hayward finds a better offer, then he can sign the deal...and then the Jazz can decide to match or not, just as they did with Millsap.
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