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All this Red-baiting is persuasive stuff, Babe’s got me close to convinced I should run around the block with Obama and become a Marxist myself. Maybe I already am one and just don’t know it? I need to compile a list of principles and line them all up to be sure. Pretty giddy with excitement, actually.
 
All this Red-baiting is persuasive stuff, Babe’s got me close to convinced I should run around the block with Obama and become a Marxist myself. Maybe I already am one and just don’t know it? I need to compile a list of principles and line them all up to be sure. Pretty giddy with excitement, actually.
Lol
 
[MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION], maybe I'm being too harsh sounding, or even downright ridiculous. What I'm trying to say is I think as soon as one attaches a label on someone, in order to define them, you put limits on them. You confine them. You encase them. I don't think anyone can, or ever has, known me well enough to safely label me in that particular fashion. And that's why I resent being labeled. Of course, if I'm doing that very thing to someone else, then who am I to complain? The truth is we all do it. But I do recognize that it's fundamentally limiting, and from that perspective I don't think any of us really like to be labeled, to be boxed in. I recognize, though, that over the course of a lifetime, I do lean in the direction we know as left. But not always.
 
All this Red-baiting is persuasive stuff, Babe’s got me close to convinced I should run around the block with Obama and become a Marxist myself. Maybe I already am one and just don’t know it? I need to compile a list of principles and line them all up to be sure. Pretty giddy with excitement, actually.

lol. Obama writes books fantasizing and building up his credentials as a core Marxist ideologue, then he gets the gig as POTUS and golfs at Martha's Vineyard. Looks like a bootlicker. Folks with real money know they own him.

You wouldn't make a real Marxist either.
 
[MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION], maybe I'm being too harsh sounding, or even downright ridiculous. What I'm trying to say is I think as soon as one attaches a label on someone, in order to define them, you put limits on them. You confine them. You encase them. I don't think anyone can, or ever has, known me well enough to safely label me in that particular fashion. And that's why I resent being labeled. Of course, if I'm doing that very thing to someone else, then who am I to complain? The truth is we all do it. But I do recognize that it's fundamentally limiting, and from that perspective I don't think any of us really like to be labeled, to be boxed in. I recognize, though, that over the course of a lifetime, I do lean in the direction we know as left. But not always.

Well, few of us really will like the way critics label us. Or like the way others see us.

I'm using you, in a way, to try to develop a line of thought, for my own purposes. If I want to develop a line of thought involving the basic tenets of things you embrace, I really don't want to just make you mad. But earnestly believed politics might be pretty hard on some people's feelings if someone wants to showcase the belief set and try to reason it away somehow.

I would welcome an objective critique, done by yourself, of some news sources like Mother Jones, with pros aside cons. That's the kind of thing that would impress me. If someone can maintain a level head while discussing an upside-down world.....

well if you can't do it, maybe I will.
 
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Or your car!

I've just been listening to a report about all the smart technology that's installed in automobiles these days and all the data that is reported back to that great Data Collector in the sky.

Pretty soon traffic tickets won't require hiring policemen to sit all night outside town where the speed limits drop from 70 to 25, sleeping or listening to Coast to Coast, waiting for their little radar alarm to go off. You'll be billed monthly by the Federal Bureau of Traffic Revenues.
 
babe;1359075I've never told you what to think said:
Well, maybe I've given you good reason to pigeon hole me. I don't really talk about what I really believe, here, on a forum. But, when I'm operating on all cylinders, this is what I believe, and , when all is said and done, I can't separate my politics from what I believe. If someone wants to find a label for this, OK.

My politics starts with understanding we are spiritual beings on a human journey. I can't prove it. I can only live as if it were the case. The old existential leap. The existence of good and evil in the heart of man complicates the issue. Any issue that requires being filtered through the heart, that's what I do. Listen to the heart and make a decision based on its imput. That's the best I can do. Do what the heart says I should do, based on my core belief, based on what it says in the final analysis. I'm just passing through, but I recognize I'm here for a reason, and that's my growth as a human being in circumstances that requires making moral choices. We are all actors, and the world is a stage. Whatever role one plays, live and die with honor.

I see that many people do not understand what I do, or believe what I do. I can't help that. That does not absolve me from making decisions based on what I believe aligns with good, with the light in the heart of man. It's my responsibility to understand that and live it to the best of my ability. Since I'm light years from perfect, I will fall short, and the record of my life will make note of that. Every day I fall short. But that's how I see this world, this realm, that's my mythology. There may be a label that fits that. If I look at the mystical tradition of any of the world's major faiths, my mythology won't misfit. But I have not practiced an organized faith since childhood.

But, the point is, I can't really separate my politics from any of the above. So any label has to encompass this. So, I wonder how Trumpism appears to my heart? What does it say? Can you guess? I don't see light. I don't see enlightenment. I see darkness. I see ignorance. I don't see good in tribalism of the national variety. I don't see good in the anti-global movement. I see that cannot end well.

But these are my latter years, and it's actually very easy for the heart to recognize good,most of the time, and that's something to be very grateful for, and it's really only a dream anyway. But you have to try to align with good while you're dreaming. That's the rule, whether you know it or not. So, lucky is the man who knows it.
 
Well, maybe I've given you good reason to pigeon hole me. I don't really talk about what I really believe, here, on a forum. But, when I'm operating on all cylinders, this is what I believe, and , when all is said and done, I can't separate my politics from what I believe. If someone wants to find a label for this, OK.

My politics starts with understanding we are spiritual beings on a human journey. I can't prove it. I can only live as if it were the case. The old existential leap. The existence of good and evil in the heart of man complicates the issue. Any issue that requires being filtered through the heart, that's what I do. Listen to the heart and make a decision based on its imput. That's the best I can do. Do what the heart says I should do, based on my core belief, based on what it says in the final analysis. I'm just passing through, but I recognize I'm here for a reason, and that's my growth as a human being in circumstances that requires making moral choices. We are all actors, and the world is a stage. Whatever role one plays, live and die with honor.

I see that many people do not understand what I do, or believe what I do. I can't help that. That does not absolve me from making decisions based on what I believe aligns with good, with the light in the heart of man. It's my responsibility to understand that and live it to the best of my ability. Since I'm light years from perfect, I will fall short, and the record of my life will make note of that. Every day I fall short. But that's how I see this world, this realm, that's my mythology. There may be a label that fits that. If I look at the mystical tradition of any of the world's major faiths, my mythology won't misfit. But I have not practiced an organized faith since childhood.

But, the point is, I can't really separate my politics from any of the above. So any label has to encompass this. So, I wonder how Trumpism appears to my heart? What does it say? Can you guess? I don't see light. I don't see enlightenment. I see darkness. I see ignorance. I don't see good in tribalism of the national variety. I don't see good in the anti-global movement. I see that cannot end well.

But these are my latter years, and it's actually very easy for the heart to recognize good,most of the time, and that's something to be very grateful for, and it's really only a dream anyway. But you have to try to align with good while you're dreaming. That's the rule, whether you know it or not. So, lucky is the man who knows it.
[MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION], I use talking points we are all familiar with, because those are the political talking points of our culture. It is liberal vs conservative, Democrat vs Republicans, big government vs small government, etc, etc. And you can pigeon hole me, and believe you understand where I am coming from, based on that. But, this exchange between Carl Jung and a Native American illustrates my ideal. This is where I try to come from, when I said, I am operating on all cylinders, when, in other words I am trying to think with my heart, rather then my head. My head gets in the way all the time. I overthink most everything. But, what this Native American told Jung is something I know to be the truth. And this is the truth to which I try to align. I do try to think and speak from the heart. And every decision I make regarding our body politic goes through this process before I make a decision. I don't always like to talk about these things, because it makes me feel vulnerable. And I'm woefully imperfect, and very flawed. And I do live in the real world and get caught up in more usual political arguments like anyone else.
But, thinking with the heart is the best thing I ever learned. I wish our political leaders learned the lesson this native imparted to Jung....

https://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/jung-in-conversation-with-a-native-american-chief/
 
Well, just returning one last time to the subject at hand, I do find calling the press "the enemy of the American people" a fundamentally irresponsible thing to say. There are nuts out there in the real world, after all. And if you completely delegitimize a free press, you just make it easier for someone to consolidate even more power. And you make it very difficult for a free press to act as the watchdog it has been for much of our history:

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pr...ssing-press-how-dictators-get-started-n722906

"Can be Americans be confident that a Republican-controlled Congress can investigate this president thoroughly if necessary?" Todd asked.

McCain replied: "I hope so. And I have to believe so." McCain then added, "More hope than belief."

Well, that does not inspire much confidence that Congress will do so. But, I really can't expect it would. Maybe after the midterms. Maybe not.
 
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