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What do you guys think the future will look like?

b_line

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So I saw a post from Siro in PKM's retirement thread, and thought it would be fun to talk about what the future will look like.

We've all seen those posts on social media that are like "this is what your cell phone would have been in the 80's" and then they have like thirty different pieces of equipment that equal what a single smartphone that fits comfortably in your hand does.

Cars are way different than just 20 years ago, people are telecommuting and actually being productive. Overall the world looks like a totally different place than it did even 10 years ago.

What do you think it will look like in another 10 years, or 20-50 years?

I am interested in what we will find out about the fields of Medicine, Travel, and Social constructs.

I have read a few different places that some scientists and doctors think that if we can make it a few more years, we might never die. (tech will be so advanced that it will eliminate death from old age)
 
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The fountain of youth is about 20 years out. I was born two decades too early.

I don't know if it will be that soon but it will happen sooner than people think(maybe even within 20 years). I think the idea of people living for multiple centuries raises much more interesting questions than "the rise of the machines" ever did. How do we manage population and resources? Can we terraform mars? Can we colonize the galaxy? The last one may sound especially far fetched but I imagine that after living on earth for a few hundred years an 80-100 year trip to a new planet wouldn't sound nearly as long as it does today.
 
I don't know if it will be that soon but it will happen sooner than people think(maybe even within 20 years). I think the idea of people living for multiple centuries raises much more interesting questions than "the rise of the machines" ever did. How do we manage population and resources? Can we terraform mars? Can we colonize the galaxy? The last one may sound especially far fetched but I imagine that after living on earth for a few hundred years an 80-100 year trip to a new planet wouldn't sound nearly as long as it does today.

Yes, we can and probably have already begun the process. As far as interstellar travel goes, we're less than 100 years from never burning another rocket. Teleportation and wormholes are the future. Earth will all but be abandoned in 300-500 years.
 
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Sorry BYU fans it's inevitable. BYU won't get a BIG 12 invite cuz the Big 12 is going to be consumed by the other conferences.
 
^On the bright side the Pac-16 will still need to schedule some cupcakes so I'm sure BYU will get to play with the big boys a couple times a year.
 
The world in 2050

The exponential diffusion of computing and communication technologies will have transformed the world in profound ways. By then, the entire planet’s population will be connected (up from just under 50% in 2015). Computers will be everywhere, from discreet computing devices to microscopic sensors and processors embedded in the environment. They will be woven into our clothes and they will flow through our blood. They will connect us not only to one another, but to every building, street, and even urban vegetation.

Computers will not have diffused enough to be integrated directly into our brain. Instead, people will wear computerized contacts that beam images directly to the retina. Internet connectivity will be ubiquitous across the whole planet, and it will be in the range of Tbps in urban centers with very low latency. People will not do their computing on their own computers, but will have access to infinite computing power on demand through the network. Cameras will be everywhere, and people will be able to “be” anywhere they want virtually and in real time. People across the globe will be able to meet up as if they’re right next to each other. Haptic feedback technologies will enable disparate people to physically interact. Children will grow up playing with other children from all over the world, participating in physical and mental activities with other remotely connected children (they will look like idiots jumping around by themselves to a non-connected individual).

Health care will have come a long way from 2015. Humanity is still some way away from true immortality, but the subject will have been in mainstream consciousness for a couple of decades. Heated debates, sometimes culminating in violence, will have become the norm between those who favor and those who oppose immortality. And while the general public view is that immortality is inevitable within the next few decades, some obstacles remain. A notable controversy is over whether parents should teach their children that they won’t have to die.

The dominant cause of death in 2050 will be cancer. The average life expectancy will have just broken 100, and the advancing age of the population will mean that rates of cancers will have continued to climb. Progress will have been made in fighting most forms of cancer, with 5 year survival rate of over 50% for all cancers. In fact, 10 year survival rate is the common metric for cancer survival in 2050, with many cancers approaching 100%. A complete cure will still elude us for some time.

Another obstacle to immortality that will not have been overcome by 2050 is extracellular damage. By 2050, all organs will be growable from stem cells on demand. Some synthetic organs will be available that even exceeds the performance of our natural ones. Veins, lymph nodes, and other connective issue will be maintainable to an extent, but ultimately, extracellular damage will prove too difficult a problem to be solved by 2050. Progress in mitigating mitochondrial and other types of intercellular damage will have been made and people will generally age more gracefully, and maintain an active lifestyle well into their 80s.

World culture will be far more homogenized than it is today, with little difference between the macro-cultures of the developed world. This is partly due to global telepresence afforded by advanced virtual reality that enables people to practically live wherever they want. However, a new trend of micro-culture had begun to emerge in the previous 2 decades. Those cultures are referred to as “cultures of choice”. They are formed by people who share similar beliefs and interests. This will eventually become the dominant form of culture as nationalist and ethnic ideologies are replaced by humanist ones.

By 2050, China will have been a fully developed country for at least a couple of decades. Despite popular belief in earlier times, developed countries remain in a good position, and newly developed countries simply join that existing world order. The cyclical view of the rise and fall of civilizations has all but disappeared from the zeitgeist. India is also a developed, or soon to be developed, country. The only continent with a majority of under-developed countries in 2050 is Africa. The problem is compounded because the forces of development of the previous eras no longer apply. During the first few decades of the 21st century, manufacturing became more and more automated. Eventually, as China and India became a post-industrial societies, the manufacturing industry did not move on to still-cheap Africa. Instead, automated factories create localized good in response to immediate market demand. 3d printing will have become common-place, and many items, such as clothing and kitchen equipment, will be manufactured at home. More complicated items can be manufactured in small local businesses specialized in 3d printing.

In 2050, the effects of global warming are everywhere. Flooding in low-lying countries like Bangladesh has created a refugee crisis like the world had never seen. Developing countries are more equipped to battle climate change and environmental degradation, and many coastal cities now feature massive flood barriers. And while many previously fertile lands are now barren and deserted other areas greatly benefited from climate change. Most notably, Canada and Russia are now the world top producers of food and a real estate rush have elevated both countries to considerable heights of economic power.

The planet’s ability to feed the massive population with traditional crops will have been far exceeded. Consequently, opposition to GMOs is now seen as quaint. Almost all crops are heavily engineered to increase yields, resist disease and insects, and provide more nutrition. Skyscraper farms will have begun to emerge, but they will not become commonplace until closer to the end of the century.

Since I think about this subject A LOT, I can honestly write a 1000 more pages about this. But I suspect this is already too long for 99% of people around here to read. :)
 
The world in 2050

The exponential diffusion of computing and communication technologies will have transformed the world in profound ways. By then, the entire planet’s population will be connected (up from just under 50% in 2015). Computers will be everywhere, from discreet computing devices to microscopic sensors and processors embedded in the environment. They will be woven into our clothes and they will flow through our blood. They will connect us not only to one another, but to every building, street, and even urban vegetation.

Computers will not have diffused enough to be integrated directly into our brain. Instead, people will wear computerized contacts that beam images directly to the retina. Internet connectivity will be ubiquitous across the whole planet, and it will be in the range of Tbps in urban centers with very low latency. People will not do their computing on their own computers, but will have access to infinite computing power on demand through the network. Cameras will be everywhere, and people will be able to “be” anywhere they want virtually and in real time. People across the globe will be able to meet up as if they’re right next to each other. Haptic feedback technologies will enable disparate people to physically interact. Children will grow up playing with other children from all over the world, participating in physical and mental activities with other remotely connected children (they will look like idiots jumping around by themselves to a non-connected individual).

Health care will have come a long way from 2015. Humanity is still some way away from true immortality, but the subject will have been in mainstream consciousness for a couple of decades. Heated debates, sometimes culminating in violence, will have become the norm between those who favor and those who oppose immortality. And while the general public view is that immortality is inevitable within the next few decades, some obstacles remain. A notable controversy is over whether parents should teach their children that they won’t have to die.

The dominant cause of death in 2050 will be cancer. The average life expectancy will have just broken 100, and the advancing age of the population will mean that rates of cancers will have continued to climb. Progress will have been made in fighting most forms of cancer, with 5 year survival rate of over 50% for all cancers. In fact, 10 year survival rate is the common metric for cancer survival in 2050, with many cancers approaching 100%. A complete cure will still elude us for some time.

Another obstacle to immortality that will not have been overcome by 2050 is extracellular damage. By 2050, all organs will be growable from stem cells on demand. Some synthetic organs will be available that even exceeds the performance of our natural ones. Veins, lymph nodes, and other connective issue will be maintainable to an extent, but ultimately, extracellular damage will prove too difficult a problem to be solved by 2050. Progress in mitigating mitochondrial and other types of intercellular damage will have been made and people will generally age more gracefully, and maintain an active lifestyle well into their 80s.

World culture will be far more homogenized than it is today, with little difference between the macro-cultures of the developed world. This is partly due to global telepresence afforded by advanced virtual reality that enables people to practically live wherever they want. However, a new trend of micro-culture had begun to emerge in the previous 2 decades. Those cultures are referred to as “cultures of choice”. They are formed by people who share similar beliefs and interests. This will eventually become the dominant form of culture as nationalist and ethnic ideologies are replaced by humanist ones.

By 2050, China will have been a fully developed country for at least a couple of decades. Despite popular belief in earlier times, developed countries remain in a good position, and newly developed countries simply join that existing world order. The cyclical view of the rise and fall of civilizations has all but disappeared from the zeitgeist. India is also a developed, or soon to be developed, country. The only continent with a majority of under-developed countries in 2050 is Africa. The problem is compounded because the forces of development of the previous eras no longer apply. During the first few decades of the 21st century, manufacturing became more and more automated. Eventually, as China and India became a post-industrial societies, the manufacturing industry did not move on to still-cheap Africa. Instead, automated factories create localized good in response to immediate market demand. 3d printing will have become common-place, and many items, such as clothing and kitchen equipment, will be manufactured at home. More complicated items can be manufactured in small local businesses specialized in 3d printing.

In 2050, the effects of global warming are everywhere. Flooding in low-lying countries like Bangladesh has created a refugee crisis like the world had never seen. Developing countries are more equipped to battle climate change and environmental degradation, and many coastal cities now feature massive flood barriers. And while many previously fertile lands are now barren and deserted other areas greatly benefited from climate change. Most notably, Canada and Russia are now the world top producers of food and a real estate rush have elevated both countries to considerable heights of economic power.

The planet’s ability to feed the massive population with traditional crops will have been far exceeded. Consequently, opposition to GMOs is now seen as quaint. Almost all crops are heavily engineered to increase yields, resist disease and insects, and provide more nutrition. Skyscraper farms will have begun to emerge, but they will not become commonplace until closer to the end of the century.

Since I think about this subject A LOT, I can honestly write a 1000 more pages about this. But I suspect this is already too long for 99% of people around here to read. :)

Didn't read, skimmed it. I've read enough 300 page government prediction booklets to know that most of these are utter bull ****. No offense, just don't think anyone is good at predicting stuff like that (i.e. cancer can be cured by the tech you talk about).
 
Didn't read, skimmed it. I've read enough 300 page government prediction booklets to know that most of these are utter bull ****. No offense, just don't think anyone is good at predicting stuff like that (i.e. cancer can be cured by the tech you talk about).

They're predictions. Of course there is a lot of uncertainty. But I disagree with that rest of what you said. I have been reading futurist literature my entire life, and everything we have today has been predicted decades in advance. Kurzweil, probably the most famous futurist, predicted the state of today's internet back in the 80s. In a book written in the 80s, he predicted that by 2010, self-driving cars, computer translation and speech recognition, and pocket computers will be possible. The mainstream scoffed at his predictions as absurd science fiction. Predicting the future of current technologies is not that hard, and can be done with some reliability for the near term (20 years or so).

That's what I've done. I made no prediction of NEW categories of technology. For example, someone from the 1800s could not predict the internet because the necessary precursors did not yet exist. But someone from the 60s could predict the miniaturization and diffusion of computers with great accuracy, as Moore did in the law they named after him.

Additionally, I make no predictions that either violate known laws of physics, or are too speculative on what can be done with known laws. Everything I predicted can unquestionably be made. Some can be made with current capabilities if funding wasn't an issue.

Nothing I mentioned can completely cure cancers. Simple nanobots that can detect cancer relatively early are possible by 2050, and that will do wonders to survival rates. But it isn't a cure.

Edit: I keep up with technological development religiously. I have seen early prototypes of nearly every advance I mentioned. I tried to keep this as objective as possible. I made some predictions about future culture and habits and those are obviously more speculative. But I think they flow logically from the tech predictions.
 
I am really hoping medical technology for tissue cultures and organ cloning will be advanced enough so nobody would need donated organs for transplants. You will just grow one in the lab from your own cells.
 
Oh and by 2090 Islam will be most dominant religion in the world. Welcome to United Emyrates of America!
 
Dang siro is really into this stuff. That is some interesting stuff you talked about siro. The tiny computers flowing through our bloodstream is a cool concept. I have heard of that idea before for medical purposes, but the stuff I read compared it to tiny construction workers or tiny equipment working on your cells. They said that it would be huge for cancer treatment.
 
Dang siro is really into this stuff. That is some interesting stuff you talked about siro. The tiny computers flowing through our bloodstream is a cool concept. I have heard of that idea before for medical purposes, but the stuff I read compared it to tiny construction workers or tiny equipment working on your cells. They said that it would be huge for cancer treatment.

General purpose medical nanobots that can be programmed to perform constructive functions within the body is probably far-fetched for 2050. But it is certainly possible within the 21st century since proteins are basically nanobots, and we're talking about programmable proteins. Right now, the effort is to create simple controllable nano-machinery that can detect certain molecules and relay their findings to an outside receiver. I think that's within 10 years from development, and probably 20 years from commercial availability. Other methods, like targeted particles that can find a tumor cell and deliver toxins or heat to it are currently available in the lab, and we'll see some diffusion over the next 10 years.

Ultimately, however, I think a so-called utility fog is within allowable laws of physics. A utility fog is a device that you can carry with you, say in a suitcase, that will produce a localized "fog" of molecular robots that can construct anything you want on the spot. But if that happens, it will be really far into the future.
 
What do you know about self organizing photovoltaics? Or organic photovoltaic cells? Are those going to be useful in the future?
 
It will look a lot like now, only with other things.
 
What do you know about self organizing photovoltaics? Or organic photovoltaic cells? Are those going to be useful in the future?

I am not sure what you mean by self organizing photovoltaics. I suppose organic molecule can be made to self assemble into structures/conformations suitable for energy harvesting. I work in the semiconductors industry, and a few years ago my company assembled a team to investigate organic PVs and fabricate some prototype cells. I participated in the project while it lasted, which wasn't very long. OPVs are still in their infancy. It was decided that they are too far from commercial development to worry about.

I don't want to get into the science of how PVs work, but it's based on the idea of exciting an electron into a state where it can be used in a current (by hitting it with a photon from the sun). OPVs however have a very unique mechanism of producing those excitons that is simply not well understood. Progress is being made in that field all the time, but it is where thin film PVs were 20 years ago. And thin film PVs themselves are barely used even today. Silicon PV science is simply very advanced, and working with silicon is perfectly understood. Si is also relatively cheap, and Si PVs are VERY efficient compared to other types.

Back to the science, PVs can only absorb photons of a certain wavelength. Each semiconductor material has a different bandgap that determines the energy needed to excite the electron to the required state. So Si will absorb infrared light of a certain wavelength, and that's that (for the sake of simplicity). If you want to absorb multiple wavelengths of sunlight, then you have to create so-called multijunction photovoltaics that are EXTREMELY expensive to make. They're only used by NASA and similar entities. That's where the promise of OPVs lie. They can potentially replicate that property of absorbing multiple wavelength on the cheap!

So yes, they have GREAT promise. And they may be commercially feasible by 2050.
 
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This company was my main introduction to opv's. The reason I said self organizing is because they would print the PV onto a plastic roll, and then at each end, they had a kind of cap to catch the electricity generated. Their theory was that the organic PV would organize as they printed it into a network that would be linked linearly.

I went to a series of lectures by the guy behind most of the science back in 2008, and he claimed that they would be able to print this stuff at 1/4 the cost of silicon PV and that it would be just as efficient. It was exciting, but they never got it to be efficient. The main application for them turned out to be remote workstations like weather monitoring or similar stuff. They went bankstuot in 2012.
 
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