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The world in 2050

The exponential diffusion of computing and communication technologies will have transformed the world in profound ways. By then, the entire planet’s population will be connected (up from just under 50% in 2015). Computers will be everywhere, from discreet computing devices to microscopic sensors and processors embedded in the environment. They will be woven into our clothes and they will flow through our blood. They will connect us not only to one another, but to every building, street, and even urban vegetation.

Computers will not have diffused enough to be integrated directly into our brain. Instead, people will wear computerized contacts that beam images directly to the retina. Internet connectivity will be ubiquitous across the whole planet, and it will be in the range of Tbps in urban centers with very low latency. People will not do their computing on their own computers, but will have access to infinite computing power on demand through the network. Cameras will be everywhere, and people will be able to “be” anywhere they want virtually and in real time. People across the globe will be able to meet up as if they’re right next to each other. Haptic feedback technologies will enable disparate people to physically interact. Children will grow up playing with other children from all over the world, participating in physical and mental activities with other remotely connected children (they will look like idiots jumping around by themselves to a non-connected individual).

Health care will have come a long way from 2015. Humanity is still some way away from true immortality, but the subject will have been in mainstream consciousness for a couple of decades. Heated debates, sometimes culminating in violence, will have become the norm between those who favor and those who oppose immortality. And while the general public view is that immortality is inevitable within the next few decades, some obstacles remain. A notable controversy is over whether parents should teach their children that they won’t have to die.

The dominant cause of death in 2050 will be cancer. The average life expectancy will have just broken 100, and the advancing age of the population will mean that rates of cancers will have continued to climb. Progress will have been made in fighting most forms of cancer, with 5 year survival rate of over 50% for all cancers. In fact, 10 year survival rate is the common metric for cancer survival in 2050, with many cancers approaching 100%. A complete cure will still elude us for some time.

Another obstacle to immortality that will not have been overcome by 2050 is extracellular damage. By 2050, all organs will be growable from stem cells on demand. Some synthetic organs will be available that even exceeds the performance of our natural ones. Veins, lymph nodes, and other connective issue will be maintainable to an extent, but ultimately, extracellular damage will prove too difficult a problem to be solved by 2050. Progress in mitigating mitochondrial and other types of intercellular damage will have been made and people will generally age more gracefully, and maintain an active lifestyle well into their 80s.

World culture will be far more homogenized than it is today, with little difference between the macro-cultures of the developed world. This is partly due to global telepresence afforded by advanced virtual reality that enables people to practically live wherever they want. However, a new trend of micro-culture had begun to emerge in the previous 2 decades. Those cultures are referred to as “cultures of choice”. They are formed by people who share similar beliefs and interests. This will eventually become the dominant form of culture as nationalist and ethnic ideologies are replaced by humanist ones.

By 2050, China will have been a fully developed country for at least a couple of decades. Despite popular belief in earlier times, developed countries remain in a good position, and newly developed countries simply join that existing world order. The cyclical view of the rise and fall of civilizations has all but disappeared from the zeitgeist. India is also a developed, or soon to be developed, country. The only continent with a majority of under-developed countries in 2050 is Africa. The problem is compounded because the forces of development of the previous eras no longer apply. During the first few decades of the 21st century, manufacturing became more and more automated. Eventually, as China and India became a post-industrial societies, the manufacturing industry did not move on to still-cheap Africa. Instead, automated factories create localized good in response to immediate market demand. 3d printing will have become common-place, and many items, such as clothing and kitchen equipment, will be manufactured at home. More complicated items can be manufactured in small local businesses specialized in 3d printing.

In 2050, the effects of global warming are everywhere. Flooding in low-lying countries like Bangladesh has created a refugee crisis like the world had never seen. Developing countries are more equipped to battle climate change and environmental degradation, and many coastal cities now feature massive flood barriers. And while many previously fertile lands are now barren and deserted other areas greatly benefited from climate change. Most notably, Canada and Russia are now the world top producers of food and a real estate rush have elevated both countries to considerable heights of economic power.

The planet’s ability to feed the massive population with traditional crops will have been far exceeded. Consequently, opposition to GMOs is now seen as quaint. Almost all crops are heavily engineered to increase yields, resist disease and insects, and provide more nutrition. Skyscraper farms will have begun to emerge, but they will not become commonplace until closer to the end of the century.

Since I think about this subject A LOT, I can honestly write a 1000 more pages about this. But I suspect this is already too long for 99% of people around here to read. :)

I disagree with you on the immortality,cancer and the leading cause of death in 2050, but I am with you on the rest. It seems it is becoming almost impossible to keep up with medical advances, by the time a book about them is even published it is horribly out of date. I think that by 2050 much of the population(I probably won't make it but I might have if I had lived "cleaner") will have reached what Aubrey de Gray calls "Immortality escape velocity". That is that even though we won't have halted aging completely we will have developed therapies that extend our lives long enough to still be living when the next leap in therapies roll around.

I don't think there will be much violence caused directly from the issue of immortality. I think it will creep up on most people and will be thought of as life extension almost up until the point that we do conquer aging. I used to think that there would be much violence towards the end of the century caused by population growth and lack of resources but in the last decade the Total Fertility Rate has dropped much faster than I think even the most optimistic would have thought. Really outside of Nigeria there really isn't an over-fertility problem. There still may be an overpopulation problem looming but it has been pushed back quite a bit and we likely have enough time to properly prepare with new infrastructure.

Cancer and extracellular damage I think will be dealt with much quicker than you think and in much the same ways. Beyond the nanotech we have already developed the capability to insert genes into all kinds of things(viruses,bacteria, and the cells of higher life forms). As far as extracellular junk and damage we have already identified some bacteria that metabolize certain proteins. Genetic engineers are already working on trying to identify the necessary genes and engineer antibodies. Further most of the other damage that I have read about is protein entanglement ie the proteins are just fine individually but they are stuck to one another. That damage should be able to be dealt with using chemistry and maybe even Nanotech. Last i read on the cancer front we are getting very close to engineered viruses that attack cancer and UC Davis is having some success using nanotech to deliver toxins directly into cancer cells.

I think that by 2050 the leading cause of death will be sleeper viruses/quickly mutating viruses and bacteria. It will be the things we don't know to look for and the things we fail to keep up with that will frighten us.
 
The near future will look like **** if another Clinton gets in the White House I know that much.
 
The near future will look like **** if another Clinton gets in the White House I know that much.

And we have first bs post of the thread. Clinton was a great president. We enjoyed the most prosperous time in memory of most alive during his presidency. Not saying I like Hillary, but if you are judging off of what bill did, then she would be better than Obama and bush.
 
I disagree with you on the immortality,cancer and the leading cause of death in 2050, but I am with you on the rest. It seems it is becoming almost impossible to keep up with medical advances, by the time a book about them is even published it is horribly out of date. I think that by 2050 much of the population(I probably won't make it but I might have if I had lived "cleaner") will have reached what Aubrey de Gray calls "Immortality escape velocity". That is that even though we won't have halted aging completely we will have developed therapies that extend our lives long enough to still be living when the next leap in therapies roll around.

I don't think there will be much violence caused directly from the issue of immortality. I think it will creep up on most people and will be thought of as life extension almost up until the point that we do conquer aging. I used to think that there would be much violence towards the end of the century caused by population growth and lack of resources but in the last decade the Total Fertility Rate has dropped much faster than I think even the most optimistic would have thought. Really outside of Nigeria there really isn't an over-fertility problem. There still may be an overpopulation problem looming but it has been pushed back quite a bit and we likely have enough time to properly prepare with new infrastructure.

Cancer and extracellular damage I think will be dealt with much quicker than you think and in much the same ways. Beyond the nanotech we have already developed the capability to insert genes into all kinds of things(viruses,bacteria, and the cells of higher life forms). As far as extracellular junk and damage we have already identified some bacteria that metabolize certain proteins. Genetic engineers are already working on trying to identify the necessary genes and engineer antibodies. Further most of the other damage that I have read about is protein entanglement ie the proteins are just fine individually but they are stuck to one another. That damage should be able to be dealt with using chemistry and maybe even Nanotech. Last i read on the cancer front we are getting very close to engineered viruses that attack cancer and UC Davis is having some success using nanotech to deliver toxins directly into cancer cells.

I think that by 2050 the leading cause of death will be sleeper viruses/quickly mutating viruses and bacteria. It will be the things we don't know to look for and the things we fail to keep up with that will frighten us.

I'm somewhat surprised at the perspective that medicine is advancing at an amazing pace. To me, it is barely advancing at all. What great medical advances have we had in the past 30 years? What new revolutionary medicines have been invented? How many diseases have been cured since the 1970s? Cancer survival rates have been steadily, but slooooowly, increasing, but that doesn't even offset the increase in the number of cases over the same period.

The science of it, like genetics and biochemistry, has advanced considerably. But as far as the average person is concerned, medicine advances very slowly. This is a view that is shared by nearly many people in that field, including Aubrey De Gray. Speaking of De Gray, he thinks there is only a 50% chance we will reach the so-called escape velocity by 2040, and he's typically absurdly optimistic. He also thinks there is a decent chance we won't get there even by the end of the century.

The problem with predicting immortality by 2050 is that we should have achieved something close to it in the lab by now. For example, scientists have been slowly increasing rats average and maximum lifespan for a long time, but it is still only a bit above their natural lifespan. From what I read, there is some hope that by 2025, a combination of procedures will have resulted in rats that live for 10 years. It'll take us 10 years from that date to recognize the accomplishment, and then we'll undergo the lengthy process of clinical trials and FDA approval.

We simply have no known mechanisms to substantially hold off aging in complex organisms. Usually if something shows promise in the lab, it takes several decades before it reaches the public. I first read about cancer targeted therapies in the mid 90s, and just now we're starting to see limited commercial availability.

I understand that medicine tends to be unpredictable, and I remain open to the prospect of achieving immortality by 2050. But I seriously doubt it. Good thing that isn't my specialty, and I hope that I'm wrong.
 
I'm somewhat surprised at the perspective that medicine is advancing at an amazing pace. To me, it is barely advancing at all. What great medical advances have we had in the past 30 years? What new revolutionary medicines have been invented? How many diseases have been cured since the 1970s? Cancer survival rates have been steadily, but slooooowly, increasing, but that doesn't even offset the increase in the number of cases over the same period.

I have read that the reason we have seen such in increase is because cancer is far more common among the elderly and we have more elderly now than we ever have before, yet we are surviving cancer at a higher rate than we ever have before, despite the fact of all these old people getting cancer, who, a mere few decades ago, would have died of other geriatric-related diseases that we are also making real inroads in. In fact, as far as curing disease goes we have really only been seeing increases in rare or strange forms of disease, and that is largely because we are keeping people alive through advanced medicine who would have otherwise died decades ago, so those people are going on to contract weird diseases instead.
 
I have read that the reason we have seen such in increase is because cancer is far more common among the elderly and we have more elderly now than we ever have before, yet we are surviving cancer at a higher rate than we ever have before, despite the fact of all these old people getting cancer, who, a mere few decades ago, would have died of other geriatric-related diseases that we are also making real inroads in. In fact, as far as curing disease goes we have really only been seeing increases in rare or strange forms of disease, and that is largely because we are keeping people alive through advanced medicine who would have otherwise died decades ago, so those people are going on to contract weird diseases instead.

Yes, I agree.
 
And we have first bs post of the thread. Clinton was a great president. We enjoyed the most prosperous time in memory of most alive during his presidency. Not saying I like Hillary, but if you are judging off of what bill did, then she would be better than Obama and bush.

Ugh, this guy again... You can sugarcoat a piece of **** all you want, the result is the same. No more clans please, we need some fresh air.
 
And we have first bs post of the thread. Clinton was a great president. We enjoyed the most prosperous time in memory of most alive during his presidency. Not saying I like Hillary, but if you are judging off of what bill did, then she would be better than Obama and bush.

I guess you could give Bill credit but then you would also have to give Newt Gingrich credit. I wouldn't bother with either.

Those times were good because:

1) A tipping point in computer technology that allowed for an incredible pace of innovation and global communication.

2) The largest and best educated generation in American history was in the prime of their careers and going through a midlife crisis racing to build the best McMansion on the block.

Why did things go south?

1) While computing technology is still racing along(it will probably hit a wall for a bit) products have a longer shelf life. You don't need to have the newest device to get by. You don't necessarily get a whole bunch of features not available on your current version if you replace it.
more importantly...

2) The boomers are less productive and instead of buying every shiny thing in sight they are getting ready for retirement. What makes this especially damaging to our economy is the fact that people 55+ years old hold more than 75% of the wealth in this country. If they don't buy enough stuff people lose their jobs. To make things worse many of the people that lost their jobs when the boomers stopped shopping were boomers themselves. I can't imagine that losing your job in your fifties makes a person want to go out and spend.

In the longrun the problems I see are:

1)Having watched their parents lose Millennials are fearful of investment. Every young person with half a brain should be buying real estate. (especially like 3 years ago) BUY LOW you stupid ****s.

2)They are a bunch of stingy cheap asses. Most people my age or younger are infuriatingly stingy. They're also a bunch of entitled, manipulative, narcissistic douchebags. They will spend 65 bucks on a video game, go out to eat, fail to leave a tip, and then whine they don't get enough food stamps. Srsly more than one person comes to my mind that is exactly like the preceding example.
 
I'm somewhat surprised at the perspective that medicine is advancing at an amazing pace. To me, it is barely advancing at all. What great medical advances have we had in the past 30 years? What new revolutionary medicines have been invented? How many diseases have been cured since the 1970s? Cancer survival rates have been steadily, but slooooowly, increasing, but that doesn't even offset the increase in the number of cases over the same period.

The science of it, like genetics and biochemistry, has advanced considerably. But as far as the average person is concerned, medicine advances very slowly. This is a view that is shared by nearly many people in that field, including Aubrey De Gray. Speaking of De Gray, he thinks there is only a 50% chance we will reach the so-called escape velocity by 2040, and he's typically absurdly optimistic. He also thinks there is a decent chance we won't get there even by the end of the century.

The problem with predicting immortality by 2050 is that we should have achieved something close to it in the lab by now. For example, scientists have been slowly increasing rats average and maximum lifespan for a long time, but it is still only a bit above their natural lifespan. From what I read, there is some hope that by 2025, a combination of procedures will have resulted in rats that live for 10 years. It'll take us 10 years from that date to recognize the accomplishment, and then we'll undergo the lengthy process of clinical trials and FDA approval.

We simply have no known mechanisms to substantially hold off aging in complex organisms. Usually if something shows promise in the lab, it takes several decades before it reaches the public. I first read about cancer targeted therapies in the mid 90s, and just now we're starting to see limited commercial availability.

I understand that medicine tends to be unpredictable, and I remain open to the prospect of achieving immortality by 2050. But I seriously doubt it. Good thing that isn't my specialty, and I hope that I'm wrong.

I think it is the technology that matters. Computers really didn't change much for the average person until they hit a technological tipping point. For instance in 1985 most cars still had a carburetor almost no one had a cell phone and people were just barely considering trading in a typewriter for a mac. We have greater tools from for medical research than we have ever had and they are getting better rapidly. We have more knowledge and it is growing rapidly.

Check this out this:Genome Advancement of the Month(Link) and there are still supposed to be technology to greatly speed up sequencing and processing right around the corner.

The reason we are starting to see those therapies now is because of all the supporting tech they needed is coming to fruition. It was the lack of these tools that was holding us up. I'm way more confident about cancer than aging. Cynically speaking we are going to have millions of boomer cancer cases between now and then. This will become a major priority and it is a problem that is much less complex and one we already know a great deal about. I don't think we will be able to reverse aging by 2050 but I think if you're 40-50 we will be able to slow it enough that by 2075 your 'real age' is only 50-60 and by that time I think we will have halted aging or are very close. From there you can live as a healthy 60 year old until we have perfected therapies enough turn back the clock.
 
Immortality? Oy vey. We're a living thing. We die. It's part of the beautiful cycle of life.

As long as people have no choice in when or how they die.



Not trying to derail. Just made me think of an older debate along these lines.
 
I will be pisssssssed if immortality happens in my lifetime. I'm all but ready for that peaceful dirt nap. Bring on the stress free blackness, baby.
 
I will be pisssssssed if immortality happens in my lifetime. I'm all but ready for that peaceful dirt nap. Bring on the stress free blackness, baby.
I'll be pissed but for another reason. I probably will not be healthy enough when it comes around, so I'll miss out.

By the way, immortality would suck if people are still poor. Poverty is one of those things we really need to fix in the future.
 
I'll be pissed but for another reason. I probably will not be healthy enough when it comes around, so I'll miss out.

By the way, immortality would suck if people are still poor. Poverty is one of those things we really need to fix in the future.

Don't get me wrong, I love life and all that crap, but if I woke up tomorrow and I was ten years old again, and knew I'd what I'd have to go thru for the next 25 years, I'd jump in front of a bus. Life is too damn stressful and it will be nice to just have a ****ing break. (This coming from a guy who fishes like three days a week and works MAYBE two)
 
It would bring up a ton of questions for me. But if immortality is offered to us all then I'd be in. So many places to see and things to do. With immortality the places to go and things to do increase as our tech does.

But if it was offered only to me I'd have to think long and hard on it and would probably not take it. It would be so unbearably lonely after so many decades. When your friends and family are gone...when you can no longer even remember their faces and eventually their names or even memories of them are gone...
 
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It would bring up a ton of questions for me. But if immortality is offered to us all then I'd be in. So many places to see and things to do. With immortality the places to go and things to do increase as our tech does.

But if it was offered only to me I'd have to think long and hard on it and would probably not take it. It would be so unbearably lonely after so many decades. When your friends and family are gone...when you can no longer even remember their faces and eventually their names or even memories of them are gone...

How cool will it be when you develop dimentia, or suffer a spinal injury that leaves you paralyzed, two weeks after you sign up for immortality? You all have fun with that. I'll be up in Heaven with Dal's Virgins living it up.
 
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