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What do you think about the decision to NOT VOTE for president?

I don't think people should vote just because. If you're uninformed and/or don't care enough to make a serious decision then I don't think you should vote. Not even for a write-in or long shot 3rd party. If you're not making an educated, intelligent and meaningful decision then I'd rather you abstain.

Abstaining is not a rejection of the democratic system.
 
With the Electoral College system and being a resident of Utah, I disagree.


This. If i vote democrat, that is when my vote truly does not count..... utah is always a republican state so it doesn't really matter whether i vote or not.
Once every vote counts then i would love to vote.... until then this 2 party system by way of electoral college just doesnt work for me.
 
I don't think people should vote just because. If you're uninformed and/or don't care enough to make a serious decision then I don't think you should vote. Not even for a write-in or long shot 3rd party. If you're not making an educated, intelligent and meaningful decision then I'd rather you abstain.

Abstaining is not a rejection of the democratic system.

I love this.
 
Everyone is so disilusioned because the media tells us we should be and because we're purists who fail to discount political reality being what it is. Mitt Romney is the perfect candidate, an excellent person, successful, pragmatic, honest in his dealings, charitable, & willing to actually make decisions he thinks are good for the nation while doing so within the political framework he will have to work within. Get over yourselves with this all candidates suck nonsense that's been pushed since the beginning of time & vote for the only candidate in the last two election cycles capable of actual, honest to goodness leadership.
 
Everyone is so disilusioned because the media tells us we should be and because we're purists who fail to discount political reality being what it is. Mitt Romney is the perfect candidate, an excellent person, successful, pragmatic, honest in his dealings, charitable, & willing to actually make decisions he thinks are good for the nation while doing so within the political framework he will have to work within. Get over yourselves with this all candidates suck nonsense that's been pushed since the beginning of time & vote for the only candidate in the last two election cycles capable of actual, honest to goodness leadership.

Haha, bravo!
 
I don't think people should vote just because. If you're uninformed and/or don't care enough to make a serious decision then I don't think you should vote. Not even for a write-in or long shot 3rd party. If you're not making an educated, intelligent and meaningful decision then I'd rather you abstain.

Abstaining is not a rejection of the democratic system.

I'd loop your scenario above into the category "not getting around to it and other forms of laziness." Simply not knowing enough to have any preferences means you truly don't have a vote.

Abstaining when you're informed and care enough to make a serious decision is a form of rejection of the system entirely. In effect, you voted with your feet when you cared enough to make a point by staying home.
 
If I lived in California or Texas or Utah or New York I'd vote for the Libertarian guy (Gary Johnson, who honestly I'd much rather see over Obama or Romney) or not vote at all. The fact I do live in a somewhat critical state is about the only reason I'm voting for Obama, but frankly, I'd love to see a "none of the above" option and see if that would beat out the two guys running now.
 
Everyone is so disilusioned because the media tells us we should be and because we're purists who fail to discount political reality being what it is. Mitt Romney is the perfect candidate, an excellent person, successful, pragmatic, honest in his dealings, charitable, & willing to actually make decisions he thinks are good for the nation while doing so within the political framework he will have to work within. Get over yourselves with this all candidates suck nonsense that's been pushed since the beginning of time & vote for the only candidate in the last two election cycles capable of actual, honest to goodness leadership.

I hope you are spending at least half of the retainer they've been giving you on booze. Gotta stay drunk. Like, STAAAAYYY.
 
I'd loop your scenario above into the category "not getting around to it and other forms of laziness." Simply not knowing enough to have any preferences means you truly don't have a vote.

Abstaining when you're informed and care enough to make a serious decision is a form of rejection of the system entirely. In effect, you voted with your feet when you cared enough to make a point by staying home.

This is twice that you've over-stepped. One could abstain from voting in this or any democratic election exactly because he/she doesn't see it as a democratic process/choice. In other words, they would abstain not because they reject the system but rather because they desire it.
 
I hope you are spending at least half of the retainer they've been giving you on booze. Gotta stay drunk. Like, STAAAAYYY.

Here's the thing--if you want to understand politicians you have to think like one. The way I see it I have two options. I can either join the "false left-right paradigm" herd or I can try to understand how politicians are catering to it with their rhetoric. What do you want to be? The voter who's a product of the base + the media or the voter who actually matters in the long run?

Yeah, there are things I don't like about Romney, boo hoo. But there's also a pretty damn good reason his base wants a strong millitary and Bush Doctrine-Obama Hypermode. I think I can deal with that keeping me safe for the next four years even if I hate the thesis overall.

I'm also not sure I want fully nationalized healthcare, but I also don't want the person who pays insurance for 30 years before getting laid off for a month & then contracting cancer to die because they didn't protect themselves as a good ole republican would. I also don't want Obama's aborted version that nobody seems to like and apparently has zero checks against moral hazard while raising the cost curve significantly. Bottom line is national healthcare is here to stay and I want the best system possible to come of it. If Romney wins then he'll have to negotiate with the senate, in the best interest of America, for a good system that pisses everyone off because it contains the best controls. He'll also have to give something to democrats to get what he wants, something like higher death taxes on the rich and an actually progressive taxation system. You are not getting any of that if Obama wins because that's how politics works.

That, and Romney is one helluva great guy.
 
Here's the thing--if you want to understand politicians you have to think like one. The way I see it I have two options. I can either join the "false left-right paradigm" herd or I can try to understand how politicians are catering to it with their rhetoric. What do you want to be? The voter who's a product of the base + the media or the voter who actually matters in the long run?

Yeah, there are things I don't like about Romney, boo hoo. But there's also a pretty damn good reason his base wants a strong millitary and Bush Doctrine-Obama Hypermode. I think I can deal with that keeping me safe for the next four years even if I hate the thesis overall.

I'm also not sure I want fully nationalized healthcare, but I also don't want the person who pays insurance for 30 years before getting laid off for a month & then contracting cancer to die because they didn't protect themselves as a good ole republican would. I also don't want Obama's aborted version that nobody seems to like and apparently has zero checks against moral hazard while raising the cost curve significantly. Bottom line is national healthcare is here to stay and I want the best system possible to come of it. If Romney wins then he'll have to negotiate with the senate, in the best interest of America, for a good system that pisses everyone off because it contains the best controls. He'll also have to give something to democrats to get what he wants, something like higher death taxes on the rich and an actually progressive taxation system. You are not getting any of that if Obama wins because that's how politics works.

That, and Romney is one helluva great guy.

As you know, my early research was in the Caribbean, so I know all about the political psyche that comes along with charismatic leadership and continuously fanning the flames of popular rhetoric in the never-ending-campaign as a mode of governance. The entire western hemisphere has had some version of this for a long time, and this U.S. version is pretty tame in comparison to what I've seen. Sure, slip into their psyche; understand what scores points; the real question is what sort of knowledge this produces and what you do with that.

Nice points re: health care. I'd like to hear more of your thoughts about the economics and politics of it. Very intriguing stuff, to say the least.
 
Like it has been mentioned before, but I think bears repeating, the real votes in place like New York and Utah are not for president but all the other races on the ballot.

For example the Matheson/Love race for the house.
 
All I know is that that 47% is sure going to make sure they make it to the polls (and we all know who they are voting for) so if that's not okay with you, then you better make sure you get your own behind to the polls so you can say that at least you tried to save your pay check...
 
All I know is that that 47% is sure going to make sure they make it to the polls (and we all know who they are voting for) so if that's not okay with you, then you better make sure you get your own behind to the polls so you can say that at least you tried to save your pay check...

Love you Ms Romney !!!!
 
Mitt Romney is the perfect candidate, an excellent person, successful, pragmatic, honest in his dealings, charitable, & willing to actually make decisions he thinks are good for the nation while doing so within the political framework he will have to work within.

Romney is the worst Presidential candidate i`ve ever seen.

It shouldn`t take much to unseat Obama - yet Romney will pretty much get blown out.
 
Romney is the worst Presidential candidate i`ve ever seen.

It shouldn`t take much to unseat Obama - yet Romney will pretty much get blown out.

How so?

The polls are starting to trend that way.

However I think it will be closer than people think.
 
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