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NAOS said:
yep, third time quoting this doozie.

This post reveals that I actually give fishonjazz more credit than you do. I actually gave him the credit of thinking for himself, even if I disagree with him. It's YOUR post that rides in from on-high and declares him as someone who is ignorant of transphobic conditions.

More absolutely brilliant irony from dalafascist.
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Please NAOS, may we have another?
 
fishonjazz said:
Good post and good analogy.

I don't want women with penises to be banned from going into women's bathrooms. That has never been my argument. It would be horrible for them to have to go into a men's bathroom. That would really suck for them.
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:rolleyes:

This is what classifies as trauma these days? A penis wearer having to use a bathroom made for penises? I feel like I'm visiting a highschool here.
 
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Sirkickyass said:
One thing we have to keep in mind, and it is a near-universal issue when it comes to a lot of identity-based fear mongering, in deciding your societal virtues you have to make a fundamental trade off between real freedom and security. This is a push-pull process. The only way to be truly "safe" from other people is to have them, and yourself, be very heavily regulated in going about your innocent business. As you open up freedoms for everyone, you run the risk of abuses of that freedom. You can't have it both ways.

We see anxiety over this trade off all the time. Bombings in public places can happen in this country, and many Western societies, because you can't just stop everyone anytime you want and search them. We,collectively, have decided that we're willing to try and police that downside rather than eliminate it and throw out basic freedom of movement along with the bathwater of total security in all public places.

We're having a similar dispute here. The specter is instead some hypothetical possibility of creepy dudes being creepy. Sexual assault and general peeping tom-ery would still be illegal and still be punishable, but the door would be opened slightly wider for it to occur. The argument we're now having is if we want to reduce that risk by some immeasurable amount at the cost of some very awkward life situations for a known small proportion of the population. In effect, taking away their freedom to really live their life as they choose in their own body.

Unfortunately, too many people want to have these kinds of issues both ways. What they really want is to have all their own freedoms and have someone else pay the cost of the increased security and safety. That's the impulse you see when you hear calls for race-based enforcement policies or statutory restroom restrictions. It's trying to have it both ways at someone else's expense. Fundamentally, we all know that isn't right. It's just selfish and mean. And who wants to be selfish and mean?
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The extension to this logic is allowing penises into female gym bathrooms. That violates those girls freedoms.
 
Scat said:
No, in high school this no longer applies.
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your everyday-paranoiac stance on this issue, which fuels transphobia in the most armchair and privileged way possible, makes me feel like crap. It's the kind of all-encompassing crap that makes me pessimistic about my society.
 
NAOS said:
not even close. As a term, bigotry doesn't make sense unless there's some reference (implied or otherwise) to a class of people. Since there's none of that here, bigotry doesn't apply in any respect.
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Oof.
 
dalamon said:
your everyday-paranoiac stance on this issue, which fuels transphobia in the most armchair and privileged way possible, makes me feel like crap. It's the kind of all-encompassing crap that makes me pessimistic about my society.
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Oh oh... we have a glitch in the matrix.
 
Boris said:
:rolleyes:

This is what classifies as trauma these days? A penis wearer having to use a bathroom made for penises? I feel like I'm visiting a highschool here.
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Well I started to imagine if I were a transgender and I looked, acted, and felt like a woman and I went into a men's bathroom with men it. There would definitely be some dirty looks thrown my way and the men in the bathroom would probably be like "what the hell are you doing in here?" (Cause they would think I was a woman) and the men would also feel awkward having what they think to be a woman in the men's bathroom. It would be awkward for everyone and probably even scary for the transgender.
 
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