What Happened to Katie?

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Must be nice to be able to choose to be tough. I didn't have that choice. I lived through a brutal ethnic war when I was still a kid. My dad was in the army for three years. I only saw him every couple of months when he was on leave. I used to dread the sound of our phone ringing because I always assumed it'd be someone calling to tell us he was killed. Luckily, he wasn't. My mum's brother was, though. This was all before I even hit my teens. But yeah, I hope you can understand that I'm not really into volcanoes or other first-world boredom cures that add adversity to your otherwise boring life. I had enough adversity for a life time. Forgive me for wanting my life to be easy and not really seeing the point of "making myself tougher," but I think I've paid my dues. And I don't care if that makes me a pansy.

I have a feeling we're doing an excellent job of talking past one another. Regardless, I admire you for overcoming such adversity. I obviously didn't know that about you. Clearly we have very different goals at this point in our lives. I have probably mischaracterized yours. You have definitely mischaracterized mine. Oh well, peace.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Of course. All transgender people are sexual deviants. And no woman could possibly be.

I'm not suggesting that any transgender people are sexual deviants, but allowing biological males into a women's restroom does not seem like a very smart move to me. What do you think the sexual predators will do when you give them an invitation like this? It is not difficult to find examples of males who go to great lengths to sexually stalk women. Why make it so easy?

I'm not aware of the problems of women sexually stalking other women. What am I overlooking? You ought to be able to come up with a ton of examples if this is a legit problem because women have been using women's restrooms with other women for generations.

 

[fishonjazz]

Of course. All transgender people are sexual deviants. And no woman could possibly be.

I don't think he meant it that way.
More like, if we let people with penises into girls bathrooms because they identify as a woman then any real perv with a dick could go into a women's bathroom for the wrong reason and simply use the excuse that they identify as a woman.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm not suggesting that any transgender people are sexual deviants, but allowing biological males into a women's restroom does not seem like a very smart move to me. What do you think the sexual predators will do when you give them an invitation like this? It is not difficult to find examples of males who go to great lengths to sexually stalk women. Why make it so easy?

You beat me to it

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

You beat me to it

Guaranteed that some guy goes into the women's restroom and sets up a system to video the women in the adjacent stalls. Next a lawsuit will be brought against the owner of the restroom in some prominent case and a huge reward will be given. The lawyers will make a killing. Sir Kicky (or someone like him) will then show up and explain to us how this extremely large settlement was necessary to send a message to the owner of the restroom (since the actual perp was destitute and couldn't really be punished financially) and explain how important it is that the law works for all of us in this way. Not long afterward we will all be complaining about how most companies have locked their restrooms to the public, set up a fee system which involves an application, and/or created cumbersome restroom reservation rules. Depends stock will skyrocket. In other words, buy now.

 

[JimLes]

I'm not aware of the problems of women sexually stalking other women. What am I overlooking? You ought to be able to come up with a ton of examples if this is a legit problem because women have been using women's restrooms with other women for generations.

And pedophiles have been using male bathrooms with kids they'd like to molest for generations, too. What evidence is there that a heterosexual pedophile is more likely to dress in drag in order to molest a girl than a homosexual pedophile is to simply walk into the same bathroom he always goes to molest a boy? But we're not freaking out and trying to figure out how to prevent that happening.

The issue isn't whether someone could possibly, hypothetically use this law to help them fulfill whatever urges. The issue is how likely that is to happen and whether a law can be disqualified solely on the basis of how it might hypothetically be abused.

Also, what exactly is stopping me from dressing up as a woman and going to the women's bathroom and ogling women right now? Do they do a penis check at the door? How are all these pedophiles not already doing this?

 

[JazzGal]

Men have always been able to walk into women's restrooms. There aren't armed guards. People have always been able to use the restroom of their gender identity. There have been few problems in the past. This will solve nothing and cause more problems. I would imagine that someone like Caitlyn Jenner walking into a men's restroom or Chaz Bono walking into a women's room would freak out more people than the other way around.

Fear is a horrible reason to discriminate.

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[fishonjazz]

Also, what exactly is stopping me from dressing up as a woman and going to the women's bathroom and ogling women right now? Do they do a penis check at the door? How are all these pedophiles not already doing this?

Nothing is stopping you but if you get caught then you are in trouble at least.

If penises are allowed in the women's bathroom then if you got caught you simply say that you identify as a woman, everyone apologizes to you (wouldn't want to offend you), and you go back to your pervertedness undeterred.

 

[fishonjazz]

And pedophiles have been using male bathrooms with kids they'd like to molest for generations, too. What evidence is there that a heterosexual pedophile is more likely to dress in drag in order to molest a girl than a homosexual pedophile is to simply walk into the same bathroom he always goes to molest a boy? But we're not freaking out and trying to figure out how to prevent that happening.

This is true, can't deter everyone but maybe some can be deterred by not allowing penis in women's bathrooms.

 

[JazzGal]

Nothing is stopping you but if you get caught then you are in trouble at least.

If penises are allowed in the women's bathroom then if you got caught you simply say that you identify as a woman, everyone apologizes to you (wouldn't want to offend you), and you go back to your pervertedness undeterred.

If you get caught doing something pervy then you'll get in trouble regardless. There are laws against such things. Doesn't matter what gender you claim.

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[fishonjazz]

The issue is how likely that is to happen

My guess is quite likely. There are a lot of perverted men out there that will go to great lengths to do horrible things even with the law against them..... There are also some our there that fear getting caught and punished and so they keep their horrible desires at bay. Give them a free pass into womens bathrooms? I'm betting they gonna take full advantage. But hey, molesters are people to right? Who are we to judge them for how they feel and for their desires right? Wouldn't want to offend or restrict the child molesters now would we?

 

[JimLes]

Nothing is stopping you but if you get caught then you are in trouble at least.

How would you get caught? Again, who's checking for penises and how? Women don't use urinals but stalls. And don't quote me on this, but from my limited experience with women, they often go to the bathroom with no intention of using the actual toilet. Short of you whipping it out at the mirror and pleasuring yourself in full view of everyone, I'm not sure how you'd get caught. And as [MENTION=62]JazzGal[/MENTION] pointed out, if you do that, you'll be in trouble regardless of your gender identification and what bathroom you're in.