what hayward could bring to the table

[sportsnut1232]

Let's pretend for a minute that our main goal is not to match up with the lakers. Everybody is talking about how we desperately need a big to match the lakers frontline. Ed Davis and Cole Aldrich would have done nothing to help us there IMO.

In Gordon Hayward, we have a kid with a great attitude who is willing to learn. He might not have star potential, but I could see him as a player who can take a lot of pressure off dwill. He has great size for a 3, is semi athletic, and can dribble, penetrate, and pass. Everyone has been so focused on matching the lakers after they swept us that they forget one of our needs is a guy like Hayward. He is a point forward who I think is crafty enough to take the ball to the hole and draw some attention from the opposing d.

Call me an idiot, but I think he has the potential to turn into a nice complementary scoring threat next to dwill. He can create his own shot, which makes us more dangerous against every team but the lakers. What do you all think about his potential?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

This post definitely deserved its own thread. I rank it about 100 out of the 270 Hayward threads on the site.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Let's pretend for a minute that our main goal is not to match up with the lakers. Everybody is talking about how we desperately need a big to match the lakers frontline. Ed Davis and Cole Aldrich would have done nothing to help us there IMO.

In Gordon Hayward, we have a kid with a great attitude who is willing to learn. He might not have star potential, but I could see him as a player who can take a lot of pressure off dwill. He has great size for a 3, is semi athletic, and can dribble, penetrate, and pass. Everyone has been so focused on matching the lakers after they swept us that they forget one of our needs is a guy like Hayward. He is a point forward who I think is crafty enough to take the ball to the hole and draw some attention from the opposing d.

Call me an idiot, but I think he has the potential to turn into a nice complementary scoring threat next to dwill. He can create his own shot, which makes us more dangerous against every team but the lakers. What do you all think about his potential?

He does not have GREAT SIZE for a 3. That's urban legend. He's about as average as you get imo.

 

[Magic Spray]

He's a career 36.5% shooter from college 3. That should help.

 

[homeytennis]

The kid is one year younger than KK, so he's got time to grow into the game.

 

[billyshelby]

Everything with Hayward is going come down to all those intangibles translating. Like anyone, I worry that the game is going to be too fast and athletic for him. But you have to assume KOC and Co. accounted for that in their thinking, and didn't simply feel confident he would make a fine member of the Salt Lake community. Day 6 of talking myself into Hayward is progressing.

 

[David Stern]

He's a career 36.5% shooter from college 3. That should help.

Best. Username. Ever. Unless somebody creates a "Boller Boned Booner" one.

 

[Doc Cherno]

Best. Username. Ever. Unless somebody creates a "Boller Boned Booner" one.

But Booner begged...

 

[Ben10]

But Booner begged...

Him to stop

 

[friendsinmyhead]

Let's pretend for a minute that our main goal is not to match up with the lakers. Everybody is talking about how we desperately need a big to match the lakers frontline. Ed Davis and Cole Aldrich would have done nothing to help us there IMO.

In Gordon Hayward, we have a kid with a great attitude who is willing to learn. He might not have star potential, but I could see him as a player who can take a lot of pressure off dwill. He has great size for a 3, is semi athletic, and can dribble, penetrate, and pass. Everyone has been so focused on matching the lakers after they swept us that they forget one of our needs is a guy like Hayward. He is a point forward who I think is crafty enough to take the ball to the hole and draw some attention from the opposing d.


Call me an idiot, but I think he has the potential to turn into a nice complementary scoring threat next to dwill. He can create his own shot, which makes us more dangerous against every team but the lakers. What do you all think about his potential?

Yeah I can see why Davis wouldn't have helped. He only averaged nearly 10 boards and 3 blocks a game in the toughest basketball conference in the NCAA.

 

[VINYLONE]

Yeah I can see why Davis wouldn't have helped. He only averaged nearly 10 boards and 3 blocks a game in the toughest basketball conference in the NCAA.

Sigh.

 

[billyshelby]

No one should ever bring up Ed Davis in threads about Hayward. I've had to kill him in my mind to get through this.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

No one should ever bring up Ed Davis in threads about Hayward. I've had to kill him in my mind to get through this.

Why? I've had Ed Davis as a bust long before the draft ever happened. You think he's the next Amare or something?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Yeah I can see why Davis wouldn't have helped. He only averaged nearly 10 boards and 3 blocks a game in the toughest basketball conference in the NCAA.

Are you delusional? The ACC was weak as hell this year.

 

[billyshelby]

Why? I've had Ed Davis as a bust long before the draft ever happened. You think he's the next Amare or something?

I'm not saying it is clear as day we should have drafted Davis. He has plenty of detractors. But if he fails in the league, it won't be for lack of athleticism. And we specifically need long, athletic players. If Davis turns into a Josh Smith type of talent, we're going to remember this draft the wrong way unless Hayward fulfills expectations.

 

[VINYLONE]

I'm not saying it is clear as day we should have drafted Davis. He has plenty of detractors. But if he fails in the league, it won't be for lack of athleticism. And we specifically need long, athletic players. If Davis turns into a Josh Smith type of talent, we're going to remember this draft the wrong way unless Hayward fulfills expectations.

What expectations. I have Haywad being AWS. Anything better than that is icing on the hardcourt cake.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I'm not saying it is clear as day we should have drafted Davis. He has plenty of detractors. But if he fails in the league, it won't be for lack of athleticism. And we specifically need long, athletic players. If Davis turns into a Josh Smith type of talent, we're going to remember this draft the wrong way unless Hayward fulfills expectations.

One, Josh Smith is nothing special. He'd be a solid 3rd or 4th option on a great team.
Two, Ed Davis is quite athletic but not in the same category as Josh Smith and unlike Smith, I see none off that supposed athleticism on game footage.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I'm not saying it is clear as day we should have drafted Davis. He has plenty of detractors. But if he fails in the league, it won't be for lack of athleticism. And we specifically need long, athletic players. If Davis turns into a Josh Smith type of talent, we're going to remember this draft the wrong way unless Hayward fulfills expectations.

So we need long, athletic players who can't play?

 

[Scorpjazz]

So we need long, athletic players who can't play?

Exactly. We must always look for size and athleticism, no matter if they have real skill. Potential is all we need. Ceiling is the word of the day.

 

[billyshelby]

One, Josh Smith is nothing special. He'd be a solid 3rd or 4th option on a great team.
Two, Ed Davis is quite athletic but not in the same category as Josh Smith and unlike Smith, I see none off that supposed athleticism on game footage.

I obviously can't defend Davis since that's all subjective at this point. But even in the context of hyperbole, Josh Smith is very, very far from 'nothing special.' He was a legit 'snub' from the All Star team and 3rd or 4th option makes it sound like he was the 3rd or 4th best player on the Hawks. If I had to pick a player from the Hawks, it wouldn't be Johnson, it would be Smith. I'd be thrilled to have Josh Smith on the Jazz, not just because we have little frontcourt talent. That kid is 24, coming into his prime, already a defensive force, and his offensive game is very good, if not exceptional. So I don't care if you don't think Davis is Josh Smith, but don't go down the road Josh Smith isn't a fantastic player.