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What If The Tank Doesn't Work

Revolution 9 said:
Damn that is a sexy line up. We could also upgrade Evans with a specialist. Get a stretch big in his spot, and we are even better.
With Rush we have a shooter. I don't see too many holes in that line up. The only thing I'd worry about is outside shooting(Rush staying healthy).
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Can Neto shoot it? Wiggins must be at least respectable at shooting.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Damn that is a sexy line up. We could also upgrade Evans with a specialist. Get a stretch big in his spot, and we are even better.
With Rush we have a shooter. I don't see too many holes in that line up. The only thing I'd worry about is outside shooting(Rush staying healthy).
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Keep in mind the scenario i am using is for next year and there is another draft pick adn a good free agent that we picked up.
 
schneider said:
I have no idea who we could get via free agency or through a trade. My guess is no one who can be a first option for this team. I think the better move would be trying to move up in the draft, even if we have to overpay for it. What I'm afraid of is Lindsey just standing pat and we are back to being a mediocre team.
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This free agency class is supposed to be pretty good. Lots of people are int heir last year of contracts. Lots of names to mix and match.
 
The tank is finished, according to Tom Haberstroh:

Most underrated Western Conference team: Utah Jazz


General consensus suggests that the youthful Jazz have fallen into the "tank mode" bucket. It's easy to see why. With an eye on future flexibility, the front office let four of its starters, Mo Williams, Randy Foye, Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap, walk elsewhere this offseason without receiving anything tangible in return. Utah also happily took on $24 million of deadweight expiring contracts from Golden State in order to grab future first-round picks. Oh, and John Lucas III was their marquee free-agent signing.

In reality, Enes Kanter (21 years old), Derrick Favors (22) and Gordon Hayward (23) make up a precocious frontcourt that's way too talented to tank. All three have legitimate buzz for most improved player this season and they have the per-minute productivity to back it up. The Jazz probably will stumble out of the gate with injuries to lottery pick Trey Burke, Brandon Rush and Marvin Williams, but there's enough talent here that they could enter the playoff picture by season's end. Don't sleep on the Jazz.
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JazzSpazz said:
According to this Hoopsworld write up, the Jazz can have between 23-43 million depending on what they do with Favors and Hayward.

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Using that top number of 43 Favors extension would drop it to a cap number of 31, and if Hayward gets 12.5 it will drop again to around 18. (Yes I'm doing a bit of rounding to make it easy)
If we get the #1 pick and prance away with Wiggins it will drop that number to around 15.

Just a little backup to your 15 number that could be right, but we could end up with slightly more.
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Let's assume the Jazz renounce the cap holds for all their expiring players except Gordo, release all their unguaranteed players, and set the first year of Favors' extension at his cap hold. These are the salaries on the books for next year:

Favors: $12 016 392
Gordo: $8 630 458 (cap hold)
Kanter: $5 694 674
Burke: $2 548 560
Burks: $3 034 356
Evans: $1 794 872
Gobert: $1 127 400

Total: $34 846 712

Next, the Jazz have 2 first round picks (we can assume they don't sign second round picks for the time being). Let's assume both the Jazz and W's do relatively well, and the Jazz end up with the 8th and 22nd picks. We'll also assume that both sign for 120% of the rookie scale (pretty standard). The first year salary of those picks (again, at 120% of scale) is:

#8: $2 745 840
#22: $1 344 120

Total (including the 7 players above): $38 936 672

You can add roughly another $1mm for roster charges to bring the roster to 11 players (renouncing the last roster charge to sign a free agent).

Total: ~$40mm

So...with Gordo not signing an extension, no second round picks signing, and the Jazz and W's outperforming predictions, the Jazz will have about $20mm in cap space (depending on where the cap is set next season).

That's really only enough for 1 impact player.

If the Jazz just let Gordo walk, they'll be in the $30mm cap space range (depending on the cap, Favors' first year cap hit, where the Jazz pick in the draft), which could net the Jazz two good players.

edit: miscalculation.
 
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GVC said:
Let's assume the Jazz renounce the cap holds for all their expiring players except Gordo, release all their unguaranteed players, and set the first year of Favors' extension at his cap hold. These are the salaries on the books for next year:

Favors: $12 016 392
Gordo: $8 630 458 (cap hold)
Kanter: $5 694 674
Burke: $2 548 560
Burks: $3 034 356
Evans: $1 794 872
Gobert: $1 127 400

Total: $34 846 712

Next, the Jazz have 2 first round picks (we can assume they don't sign second round picks for the time being). Let's assume both the Jazz and W's do relatively well, and the Jazz end up with the 8th and 22nd picks. We'll also assume that both sign for 120% of the rookie scale (pretty standard). The first year salary of those picks (again, at 120% of scale) is:

#8: $2 745 840
#22: $1 344 120

Total (including the 7 players above): $40 280 792

You can add roughly another $1mm for roster charges to bring the roster to 11 players (renouncing the last roster charge to sign a free agent).

Total: ~$41.3mm

So...with Gordo not signing an extension, no second round picks signing, and the Jazz and W's outperforming predictions, the Jazz will have about $20mm in cap space (depending on where the cap is set next season).

That's really only enough for 1 impact player.

If the Jazz just let Gordo walk, they'll be in the $25-30mm of cap space range (depending on the cap, Favors' first year cap hit, where the Jazz pick in the draft), which could net the Jazz two good players.
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I don't want another AL Jefferson anyway. We need to find our studs in the draft and look for free agents as role players not the other way around. Every true stud the Jazz have had has came from the draft and it will continue to be that way.
 
heyhey said:
I don't want another AL Jefferson anyway. We need to find our studs in the draft and look for free agents as role players not the other way around. Every true stud the Jazz have had has came from the draft and it will continue to be that way.
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So if LeBron wanted to sign in Utah, you'd tell him to **** off?
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];686194 said:
did you just take a **** on heyhey's lawn??
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He better not have. If I get up to take a **** and find that someone has already popped a squat in my spot I will go ballistic.
 
GVC said:
Let's assume the Jazz renounce the cap holds for all their expiring players except Gordo, release all their unguaranteed players, and set the first year of Favors' extension at his cap hold. These are the salaries on the books for next year:

Favors: $12 016 392
Gordo: $8 630 458 (cap hold)
Kanter: $5 694 674
Burke: $2 548 560
Burks: $3 034 356
Evans: $1 794 872
Gobert: $1 127 400

Total: $34 846 712

Next, the Jazz have 2 first round picks (we can assume they don't sign second round picks for the time being). Let's assume both the Jazz and W's do relatively well, and the Jazz end up with the 8th and 22nd picks. We'll also assume that both sign for 120% of the rookie scale (pretty standard). The first year salary of those picks (again, at 120% of scale) is:

#8: $2 745 840
#22: $1 344 120

Total (including the 7 players above): $38 936 672

You can add roughly another $1mm for roster charges to bring the roster to 11 players (renouncing the last roster charge to sign a free agent).

Total: ~$40mm

So...with Gordo not signing an extension, no second round picks signing, and the Jazz and W's outperforming predictions, the Jazz will have about $20mm in cap space (depending on where the cap is set next season).

That's really only enough for 1 impact player.

If the Jazz just let Gordo walk, they'll be in the $30mm cap space range (depending on the cap, Favors' first year cap hit, where the Jazz pick in the draft), which could net the Jazz two good players.

edit: miscalculation.
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A couple minor corrections: they have an option on Burks and 2nd rounders don't count against cap space.
 
franklin said:
A couple minor corrections: they have an option on Burks and 2nd rounders don't count against cap space.
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1. Burks' option has already been exercised.

2. If 2nd rounders are signed, they certainly do count against the cap (not that it makes any difference, as none were included above).
 
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