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What if Trey Burke....

If Trey Burke continues to throw up bricks as the clock winds down, then there is something very, very, very seriously wrong with his ability to learn. I mean, how dense would the guy have to be?
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Folks... I think most of us agree that trey doesn't fit the style of the rest of our team. Shoot first, short for his position, less athletic than other players in his position, shorter arms, and he takes pics of his Charlie wang.

Still, I think you guys go way too far here. I was a huge naysayer at the start of 2014 but I loved how he didn't pout coming off the bench. I loved how he came in and got into the paint with ease. His shooting % went down but look at Hayward in 2013. Both were asked to "score" more than the previous year. Snyder and DL both talked about how they had asked trey to come off the bench to boost our offense with the second group. Before he did we went nearly a month watching the bench play great defense and not be able to put the ball in the net with lineups like dante, jingles, gobert, and an assortment of options. We had Kanter come in to score and the offense was paralyzed. Trey won me over as an option off the bench no doubt. He will be back to prove some of you Nancy's wrong this season. He has the starting spot to lose and surely is motivated to make his impression yo!

Bra (currently sagging in the southern hemisphere). Bra out! (Mic drop)
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Fair post. Just one correction. Trey has a 6'6 wingspan so he doesn't have short arms.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Folks... I think most of us agree that trey doesn't fit the style of the rest of our team. Shoot first, short for his position, less athletic than other players in his position, shorter arms, and he takes pics of his Charlie wang.

Still, I think you guys go way too far here. I was a huge naysayer at the start of 2014 but I loved how he didn't pout coming off the bench. I loved how he came in and got into the paint with ease. His shooting % went down but look at Hayward in 2013. Both were asked to "score" more than the previous year. Snyder and DL both talked about how they had asked trey to come off the bench to boost our offense with the second group. Before he did we went nearly a month watching the bench play great defense and not be able to put the ball in the net with lineups like dante, jingles, gobert, and an assortment of options. We had Kanter come in to score and the offense was paralyzed. Trey won me over as an option off the bench no doubt. He will be back to prove some of you Nancy's wrong this season. He has the starting spot to lose and surely is motivated to make his impression yo!

Bra (currently sagging in the southern hemisphere). Bra out! (Mic drop)
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Fair post. Just one correction. Trey has a 6'6 wingspan so he doesn't have short arms.
 
If he keeps coming off the bench (if the Jazz replace Exum or use one of the other dudes, whatever), then with Hood or potentially Burks playing with him, and some new offensive guys to involve (Trey2 and Pleiß) Burke should turn his focus to passing. He should average 6-8 assists per game off the bench. If not there is a real problem. With Hood, Trey2 and even Booker or Ingles with him spotting up he has a lot of decent weapons to involve. If he doesn't up his assists he needs to go. Period.

Also, increasing his assists will help his percentages. A BIG reason why Stockton shot such an unbelievable percentage as a guard (>50% for his career FG) is because everyone had to respect the pass. How many times did we see him in rhythm just saunter up the court and hit that pull up from 3 or from the free throw line virtually all alone. No reason Burke cannot do similar with the group he has to work with. Establish the pass and you no longer have to worry about the hand or full body in the face desperation heaves at the end of the shot clock.

Now of course as the starter he has even more reason to include everyone. Great weapons right now. He needs to focus on being the assist guy and let everything else fall into place.
 
He's too small to be effective on defense. He is a liability.

we saw how one broken link destroys the chain? Same as Kanter...I dont see him as a fit.

I hope im wrong and he comes out playing all star levels.
 
Siro said:
I very highly doubt Snyder went to Trey and was like "you know that stupid off dribble shot that you hit 15% of the time? I'd like to see you jack up more of those". It is also interesting how Trey used to brick that exact same shot in college. Amazing how different coaches insist he continues to make the same stupid decision! And why should Burke be the only one doing that? Quin should instruct the rest of the team to hurl the ball in the direction of the rim every time they touch it. After all, it's not the shot selection that matters, only the volume of attempts!
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It's a matter of having a ball handler and facilitator doing what needs to be done. Trey isn't great at it, but he is doing what Quin, and the Jazz team, needs him to do.

Y'all act like you want more of Kanter post ups, or, Rudy Gobert doing it instead now because Trey sucks and stuff.

Trey plays within the system and does what he's required by Quin.
 
franklin said:
It's a matter of having a ball handler and facilitator doing what needs to be done. Trey isn't great at it, but he is doing what Quin, and the Jazz team, needs him to do.

Y'all act like you want more of Kanter post ups, or, Rudy Gobert doing it instead now because Trey sucks and stuff.

Trey plays within the system and does what he's required by Quin.
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I think this point is too often over looked when discussing Burke play style. When Snyder moved Trey to the 2nd unit for offense maybe it was exactly what he said it was. Also it doesn't matter how pass first a player is or how great they are at passing. If you can't hit shots or aren't surrounded by other great players that can make shots that player will be limited as the ball handler. Ricky Rubio is having similar problems. And it's why Neto if he can't make a shot will struggle. The problems from what I see isn't as much about the shots he takes(which isn't to say his shot selection is acceptable), but the fact he's missing them.
 
yamers said:
He's too small to be effective on defense. He is a liability.

we saw how one broken link destroys the chain? Same as Kanter...I dont see him as a fit.

I hope im wrong and he comes out playing all star levels.
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His height really has little to do with his lack of effective defense. What's killing Burke is his lack of strength, technique, and most importantly effort. It usually take years to build the endurance and strength to be a two way player. Which is why most offensives minded young players in the NBA aren't great defender later into their careers. Trey technique improved during the season which is why he was noticeably better towards the end of the season. When you hear about Burke and his off season training he always talks about transforming his body. I think Snyder has preached to Trey about the importance of defense and Burke has taken it to heart and has work to be a better defender.
 
franklin said:
It's a matter of having a ball handler and facilitator doing what needs to be done. Trey isn't great at it, but he is doing what Quin, and the Jazz team, needs him to do.

Y'all act like you want more of Kanter post ups, or, Rudy Gobert doing it instead now because Trey sucks and stuff.

Trey plays within the system and does what he's required by Quin.
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Meh. I kinda agree. But I enjoy hating on him anyway.
 
franklin said:
It's a matter of having a ball handler and facilitator doing what needs to be done. Trey isn't great at it, but he is doing what Quin, and the Jazz team, needs him to do.

Y'all act like you want more of Kanter post ups, or, Rudy Gobert doing it instead now because Trey sucks and stuff.

Trey plays within the system and does what he's required by Quin.
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No he doesn't. He was sent to the bench not because Exum was ready(he wasn't) but because he didn't play defense or within Quin's system. Can he turn it around? yeah. Will he? We will see.
 
da ThRONe said:
I think this point is too often over looked when discussing Burke play style. When Snyder moved Trey to the 2nd unit for offense maybe it was exactly what he said it was. Also it doesn't matter how pass first a player is or how great they are at passing. If you can't hit shots or aren't surrounded by other great players that can make shots that player will be limited as the ball handler. Ricky Rubio is having similar problems. And it's why Neto if he can't make a shot will struggle. The problems from what I see isn't as much about the shots he takes(which isn't to say his shot selection is acceptable), but the fact he's missing them.
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I really admire your ability to maintain faith in your guy in the face of the overwhelming facts against him.
 
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