What kind of season did our players have so far
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Jazz4ever
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ESPN now had a "real plus minus" stat you can sort by. It is based on the xRAPM, a combination of pure RAPM and box score production. I'm guessing its creator might have been hired by ESPN? Anyways, most Jazz players did very poor in this stat. The score represents per 100 possessions. 0 is average.
RPM
Hayward: 1.47
Burks: -0.08
Williams: -0.35
Favors: -0.99
Burke: -1.66
Jefferson: -2.89
Kanter: -4.75 (7th worst center in the league by this stat)
Even though Burke is subpar in this stat at -1.66, he schools most the other rookies.
Oladipo: -1.58
Plumlee: -2.84
MCW: -3.05
Haradway Jr: -5.22
Mclemore: -5.43 (5th worst SG in the league by this stat)
RPM
Hayward: 1.47
Burks: -0.08
Williams: -0.35
Favors: -0.99
Burke: -1.66
Jefferson: -2.89
Kanter: -4.75 (7th worst center in the league by this stat)
Even though Burke is subpar in this stat at -1.66, he schools most the other rookies.
Oladipo: -1.58
Plumlee: -2.84
MCW: -3.05
Haradway Jr: -5.22
Mclemore: -5.43 (5th worst SG in the league by this stat)
da ThRONe
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I think this is the biggest thing people overlook. Trey was used so improperly this season. What made Trey special leaving UM was the fact he was the dominate ball handler. Making Trey a spot up shooter is the equivalent of making Alec the main facilitator or Derrick a jump shooter. It was clear the that at some point the plan was to allow Hayward to initiate the offense thus neutralizing Burke greatest skill.
So sad to see Kanter's career is going nowhere... He entered the NBA as a third pick and in his third year when he was expected to prove his value he proved to be the 7th worst center. Quite impressive.
The people around Kanter, the ones close to him should be proud of themselves since they have strongly indoctrinated this young player towards being involved in Turkish domestic politics this year, using Kanter as a political instrument; and Kanter with his mind focused on those things all along, making an ugly profile for himself in front of his countrymen, and then maybe panicking about it, etc, can only "improve" that much...
(Some guy here was saying a couple months ago "Kanter has the right to voice his negative views for the administration of the Turkish soccer federation..." The soccer federation?? What the hell is Kanter's business to concentrate on whatever fight is going on in Turkey concerning the soccer federation (the issue is political)?
Is this what the Utah Jazz franchise is paying him for, or selected him for the investment?
green
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Burke is a lot better than he gets credit for. He has three limitations:
1 - He plays for Corbin ie, no offense or defense
2 - He doesn't play PG offensively, Hayward does
3 - PG's just suck their rookie years in the NBA.
Also, Hayward is a very solid player. I keep him if my goals are playoffs. If my goals are grow the youth, get them experience and another draft pick, I let Hayward walk.
The team would have been much more effective, I think, if Burke and Burks were the primary ball handlers and Hayward was used as a spot-up shooter like the year prior. I just don't see the wisdom of having Hayward be a primary ball handler when a) his handle is loose, b) he doesn't shoot well off the bounce, c) he doesn't get all the way to the rim, and d) there are only one or two people he can meaningfully pass to and accomplish anything (Burke & Favors). He should have sat back on the 3-pt line like Richard Jefferson, which Jefferson came off the bench.
But this season wasn't based on trying to win. The team was trying to lose all year. That strategy worked fairly well.
But this season wasn't based on trying to win. The team was trying to lose all year. That strategy worked fairly well.
Doesn't Plus/Minus still get strongly affected by the players who are on the floor as a group?
Who was on the floor when Kanter played most of his minutes---Garret, Evans, Marvin, etc.?
What's his +/- supposed to look like?
Who was on the floor when Kanter played most of his minutes---Garret, Evans, Marvin, etc.?
What's his +/- supposed to look like?
da ThRONe
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Not only who they are playing with but who they play against. Not sure what so new about the plus minus stat. They didn't get into details about what was different, but plus or minus isn't the greatest measurement either way you slice it. Just another stat to try to quantify what you see what your eyes.
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I find that usually the stats and my eyeballs tell me the same thing.