What salary would you give to Gordon Hayward for the next season?

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm hoping that Gordon realizes that he will need help to be competitive against teams like the Cavs or Warriors if he wants to be the main man of the team.. If he truly wants to "win" then he should be willing to take less than the max to make room for other players who can ease the burden..

Unless he is absolutely one of the top 5 players in the league, automatically taking the max just seems greedy for a player who 'wants to win'..I'm hoping he decides to 'be the man'..and stay whilst still giving enough flexibility to build a solid roster..

I think the Jazz need to be willing to offer the max and let him know that, but try to convince him that accepting less would be a sign of leadership from him. Obviously front office would have to convince him and show how they can get him the help he needs if he chooses that path.

Why should he take a pay cut? We've operated at the damned salary floor for three years and he's supposed to take a pay cut if he really wants to win.. eff that. If they started the conversation that way and I was gordon I'd be out so quick. How about you pay the effing luxury tax if you want to keep me and win... why should millionaires give more money to billionaires?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He hasn't earned the same max that guys like Harden, Green, and others get. He is a good player, and he deserves the max # other teams would give but not the number we can give. Hes not a 30-40% of the cap quality player. He is not a superstar.

But he will get every penny we can give if he stays....

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What is a superstar? Does he need a shoe or something. Dude is a top 20 player entering his prime. He gets everything within the team concept not by having everything built around him and being a stat whore. He's worth the max... this thread is so dumb.

 

[Aneurism]

Why should he take a pay cut? We've operated at the damned salary floor for three years and he's supposed to take a pay cut if he really wants to win.. eff that. If they started the conversation that way and I was gordon I'd be out so quick. How about you pay the effing luxury tax if you want to keep me and win... why should millionaires give more money to billionaires?

Because that will be the only way he has a chance of getting a championship ring as the top dog, whether it is on this team or another.

On a side note, good thing for the Heat and Cavs that Lebron was open to a pay cut when it came time for it back when it was needed...

 

[Siro]

No more than 12 million.

 

[NUMBERICA]

No more than 12 million.

Nice.

 

[SCS]

The salary he wants.

 

[veji1]

Pretty simple :
- you tell him he is with Gobert the foundation piece of this team, he is the go to scorer, he is the one shouldering the biggest load on O, you need him and value him massively.
- you offer him the full max he is entitled too.
- you share with him your strategy to build the best team possible, what will be possible or not based on him signing for the max
- If he wants to help by getting a pay cut, great, if he doesn't and signs for all the money, great. If he leaves well bugger.

 

[LoPo]

My point about Hayward was simply this - the finances in the NBA are messed up. Gordo is such a good player, but he isn't a superstar. Superstars are mega commercial magnets like CP3 and Griffen or incredible unicorns like Kawhi and Westbrook. Megastars are guys like LBJ, Durant and Curry.

Hayward deserves the max deal because that is how the market is dictated. However, his cost per team success coupled with national exposure just isnt the same as other franchise cornerstone max guys. I expect and hope we pay whatever it takes to keep him. This is no shot at Gordon, I'm just making a point.

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[veji1]

My point about Hayward was simply this - the finances in the NBA are messed up. Gordo is such a good player, but he isn't a superstar. Superstars are mega commercial magnets like CP3 and Griffen or incredible unicorns like Kawhi and Westbrook. Megastars are guys like LBJ, Durant and Curry.

Hayward deserves the max deal because that is how the market is dictated. However, his cost per team success coupled with national exposure just isnt the same as other franchise cornerstone max guys. I expect and hope we pay whatever it takes to keep him. This is no shot at Gordon, I'm just making a point.

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Of course, you are 100% right. Hayward's max deal would be akin to Joe Johnson's max deal in its time : because of how the NBA works it's unavoidable and normal. But in absolute it makes no sense. Lebron should be paid 50per, Curry 45, Durant, Wes, Harden and Kawhi 35/40, and "max" guys like Conley or Hayward should not be in that league. But that's how it works.

 

[veji1]

double post

 

[infection]

My point about Hayward was simply this - the finances in the NBA are messed up. Gordo is such a good player, but he isn't a superstar. Superstars are mega commercial magnets like CP3 and Griffen or incredible unicorns like Kawhi and Westbrook. Megastars are guys like LBJ, Durant and Curry.

Hayward deserves the max deal because that is how the market is dictated. However, his cost per team success coupled with national exposure just isnt the same as other franchise cornerstone max guys. I expect and hope we pay whatever it takes to keep him. This is no shot at Gordon, I'm just making a point.

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Is this a typo? And by typo I don't mean your spelling, I mean his inclusion in that sentence at all.

 

[Beantown]

Dumb thread. He's getting a max deal from someone. Let's hope it's the Jazz.