What should the FO do if we are 0.500 by January?

[Handlogten's Heros]

Well he missed most of last season and they still got the 1 seed by a 16-game margin.

He was also pretty terrible for them in their series against Denver and Indiana.

I think they would've likely been just fine honestly.

Lol sure. Guy was really positive in two seven game series but they didn't need him cuz he didn't shoot lights out.

 

[baka98]

Are the Utah Jazz winning too much?

If the Jazz don’t start tanking hard, the Oklahoma City Thunder could become even more unbeatable.

www.deseret.com

 

[MTS]

Lol sure. Guy was really positive in two seven game series but they didn't need him cuz he didn't shoot lights out.

He did a lot worse than not "shoot lights out", but hey, why have an honest conversation when you can be disingenous?

What can't be argued is this: They certainly didn't need him to dominate the league last year, as evidenced by claiming the 1-seed by a 16 game margin despite him missing most of the regular season.

Maybe they lose a squeaker in the Finals without him. Maybe they lose in the Finals anyways with him if Hali doesn't get injured. Who knows.

But their path to title contention very obviously wasn't off the back of Chet.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He did a lot worse than not "shoot lights out", but hey, why have an honest conversation when you can be disingenous?

What can't be argued is this: They certainly didn't need him to dominate the league last year, as evidenced by claiming the 1-seed by a 16 game margin despite him missing most of the regular season.

Maybe they lose a squeaker in the Finals without him. Maybe they lose in the Finals anyways with him if Hali doesn't get injured. Who knows.

But their path to title contention very obviously wasn't off the back of Chet.

My shoot the lights out comment was way more genuine than your "he was pretty terrible" for them comment. He didn't make his threes... he was still one of their most positive players in the playoffs.

The idea that they just didn't need him is so incredibly stupid.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not to mention that one season does not make a career and the guy is likely the DPOY this year while also providing incredibly unique offensive things for a big. But yeah... they totally wish they hadn't tanked.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Imagine if OKC pushed for the play-in instead of drafting Chet.

They obviously never had a choice like that.

Anyway, OKC executed a multiyear scorched earth tank. There was never any question about what they were going to do. They wanted to hit rock bottom.

 

[MTS]

My shoot the lights out comment was way more genuine than your "he was pretty terrible" for them comment. He didn't make his threes... he was still one of their most positive players in the playoffs.

The idea that they just didn't need him is so incredibly stupid.

Not to mention that one season does not make a career and the guy is likely the DPOY this year while also providing incredibly unique offensive things for a big. But yeah... they totally wish they hadn't tanked.

You are changing the argument. Nobody is saying the guy isn't a great player. They are, however, arguing that OKC created a team that could still win the #1 seed and compete for championships without him.

So, "imagine where OKC would be if they didn't tank for Chet". We don't have to imagine it, we saw it last year: The 1-seed by a wide margin.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They obviously never had a choice like that.

Anyway, OKC executed a multiyear scorched earth tank. There was never any question about what they were going to do. They wanted to hit rock bottom.

They had two years in the tank. They just did it right. They sent Al Horford home instead of letting him continue to play. They sat SGA a **** ton of games. They basically did what we did last year... except they did it for two years. They had choices. They made choices and the followed through with their commitment.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

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You are changing the argument. Nobody is saying the guy isn't a great player. They are, however, arguing that OKC created a team that could still win the #1 seed and compete for championships without him.

So, "imagine where OKC would be if they didn't tank for Chet". We don't have to imagine it, we saw it last year: The 1-seed by a wide margin.

Nope didn't move ****. I'm sorry you made a dumb statement.

 

[MTS]

Nope didn't move ****. I'm sorry you made a dumb statement.

The person who said "Imagine where OKC would be without Chet", when OKC won the 1-seed by a 16-game margin without him, was you.

I really thought you were above disingenous arguments, but maybe I should've known better than to try to have this conversation with the guy who wanted to trade Kessler for the purpose of assisting with last year's tank.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The person who said "Imagine where OKC would be without Chet", when OKC won the 1-seed by a 16-game margin without him, was you.

I really thought you were above disingenous arguments, but maybe I should've known better than to try to have this conversation with the guy who wanted to trade Kessler for the purpose of assisting with last year's tank.

They don't win a title without Chet. Said it a few times. That's where they'd be lol.

The guy who says I am moving goalposts brings up an argument from like a year and a half ago. Apologies... I didn't know we'd sit Lauri like 30 games last year and shut down Walker/Collins/Sexton in an effort to tank.

I'm going to go ahead and say I'm good here. You can keep changing the subject if you like but I'm no longer going to engage.

 

[MTS]

They don't win a title without Chet. Said it a few times. That's where they'd be lol.

The guy who says I am moving goalposts brings up an argument from like a year and a half ago. Apologies... I didn't know we'd sit Lauri like 30 games last year and shut down Walker/Collins/Sexton in an effort to tank.

I'm going to go ahead and say I'm good here. You can keep changing the subject if you like but I'm no longer going to engage.

The argument from a year and a half ago is relevant to the current discussion, because it's the same principle: Tank at all costs. As evidenced now by... the OKC team that became a title contender even without the player they tanked for. If the Jazz could become good enough to secure the 1 seed by a wide margin, I'm sure we'd all be ecstatic.

At a certain point, the tail has to stop wagging the dog.

 

[Max Porter]

It’s only unethical if it gives you an unfair advantage and seeing how we still aren’t a playoff team right now in a small market that doesn’t attract free agents while losing to the Mavs with a .6 chance for the Flagg sweepstakes, I think it’s more than fair.

 

[KqWIN]

I don't know why discussion about OKC brings out the dumbest takes lmao.