What to do with Taylor Hendricks year one

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I never said the cycling was game to game. Obviously there are probably reasons behind the minutes to some extent, but he clearly would just randomly give Udoka minutes to get him engaged. At one point he benched NAW when he was seemingly playing great so he could get THT back into the rotation for a stretch (no injuries, just did it). There wasnt always an obvious "this guy has played bad so he got benched"

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He would also randomly let Fontecchio get a longer stretch to give him cracks at getting a groove.

 

[idiot]

I think there's two different things being talked about here. I think HH is talking about cycling on a game to game basis. Normal variation throughout the season based on performance/injuries seems to be more what you're talking about.

If that's what HH was arguing (game-to-game cycling), I don't understand why that was his argument; nobody had really claimed that Hardy was cycling game-to-game, had they?

I would also dispute that injuries really had any role in the cycling. All four players we're talking about had relatively healthy years. So while other injuries might have played a role in total minutes played, their own injuries likely played very little role in their minutes relative to one another.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If that's what HH was arguing (game-to-game cycling), I don't understand why that was his argument; nobody had really claimed that Hardy was cycling game-to-game, had they?

I would also dispute that injuries really had any role in the cycling. All four players we're talking about had relatively healthy years. So while other injuries might have played a role in total minutes played, their own injuries likely played very little role in their minutes relative to one another.

His argument is he wants to argue with me because he is obsessed with me.

 

[idiot]

I never said the cycling was game to game. Obviously there are probably reasons behind the minutes to some extent, but he clearly would just randomly give Udoka minutes to get him engaged. At one point he benched NAW when he was seemingly playing great so he could get THT back into the rotation for a stretch (no injuries, just did it). There wasnt always an obvious "this guy has played bad so he got benched"

Yes, this is generally my memory, as well. Maybe there was the possible exception with Jones/Dok that they got minutes a bit more based on the center(s) we were playing against in a particular game (ie, Dok got the big strong guys and Jones the stretch centers). At least this is the Jones/Dok pattern I thought I discerned at one point; I'd have to go back to check to really be sure.

 

[fishonjazz]

Look at D Will, drafted at #3. Didn't start for the first 1/3 of the season at least.

Well that is because we were stacked at the position. We had Keith Mcleoud and milt palacio. Pretty hard to get playing time with talent like that on the roster.

 

[KqWIN]

If that's what HH was arguing (game-to-game cycling), I don't understand why that was his argument; nobody had really claimed that Hardy was cycling game-to-game, had they?

I would also dispute that injuries really had any role in the cycling. All four players we're talking about had relatively healthy years. So while other injuries might have played a role in total minutes played, their own injuries likely played very little role in their minutes relative to one another.

I won't speak for anyone else, but it wouldn't be the first time two people talked passed each other lol. From the outside, I can't really tell what the point of contention is. Of course a rotation spot will be contested until someone establishes themselves and it is no longer contested. Don't see what the big deal is.

Gathering any kind of intel on Hardy's preferences from tanking time is a futile exercise imo. I don't think giving Jones and Doke extended minutes, for example, is any kind of coaching strategy beyond putting a warm body out there.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If that's what HH was arguing (game-to-game cycling), I don't understand why that was his argument; nobody had really claimed that Hardy was cycling game-to-game, had they?

Post Conley trade I am not looking to read anything into the minutes distributions. That was tank season.

The claim was that we will cycle through 4 guys for a 10 minute bench role. The term cycling means you rotate and take turns at something... and it usually indicates that it will happen quickly... I'm not saying game to game but it would seem to indicate maybe weekly? Take your pick there on what you think it means. I do not think Hardy rotates through Samanic, Henny, Sensabaugh, Simone etc. and gives everyone their turn every 3-5 games. There will be a regular rotation and the spot will be filled by someone until they play their way out of the spot or other things... injuries, guys balling out in practice or G League, require other guys moving in or out of the rotation. There will also be consideration given to "other things" like how Rudy Gay was an absolute lock to be in the rotation (ironically until tank season came) when healthy even though he was just putrid. He's a vet... yada yada.

In general the way it works is a coach will find a rotation and stick with it until a player performs poorly enough to be demoted or another guy gets a chance to play because of injury and performs well. Imagine Taylor gets rotation minutes the first 5 games and is just okay... but is then pushed out of the rotation because its someone else's turn. That gonna boost his confidence and help his development? If he sucks then sure send him to the G League. Say you give Samanic 5 games and he is just okay... but then you hand the keys to the rookie... Luka is fighting for his NBA life... that ain't gonna fly over well either.

Someone will win the first crack at the minutes in camp/preseason and will need to be knocked off the pedestal or knock themselves off the pedestal. That's how it works unless you are a tanking team.

I would also dispute that injuries really had any role in the cycling. All four players we're talking about had relatively healthy years. So while other injuries might have played a role in total minutes played, their own injuries likely played very little role in their minutes relative to one another.

Of course it did... don't be ridiculous. Mike and Sexton being out is what causes the spikes on your graph.

 

[idiot]

Of course it did... don't be ridiculous. Mike and Sexton being out is what causes the spikes on your graph.

You misread if you thought that was my point. I said explicitly that injuries to others (Mike/Sexton) affected total minutes played (thus having a role in the spikes); but if you look at minutes relative to each other, THT's and NAW's minutes were not affected by their own injuries (these minutes relative to each other can also be seen from the graph).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

. Imagine Taylor gets rotation minutes the first 5 games and is just okay... but is then pushed out of the rotation because its someone else's turn. That gonna boost his confidence and help his development? If he sucks then sure send him to the G League. Say you give Samanic 5 games and he is just okay... but then you hand the keys to the rookie... Luka is fighting for his NBA life... that ain't gonna fly over well either.

Uhh, no matter what the coach does someone is going to be upset with their minutes, it's inevitable.

 

[idiot]

Post Conley trade I am not looking to read anything into the minutes distributions. That was tank season.

The claim was that we will cycle through 4 guys for a 10 minute bench role. The term cycling means you rotate and take turns at something... and it usually indicates that it will happen quickly... I'm not saying game to game but it would seem to indicate maybe weekly? Take your pick there on what you think it means. I do not think Hardy rotates through Samanic, Henny, Sensabaugh, Simone etc. and gives everyone their turn every 3-5 games. There will be a regular rotation and the spot will be filled by someone until they play their way out of the spot or other things... injuries, guys balling out in practice or G League, require other guys moving in or out of the rotation. There will also be consideration given to "other things" like how Rudy Gay was an absolute lock to be in the rotation (ironically until tank season came) when healthy even though he was just putrid. He's a vet... yada yada.

In general the way it works is a coach will find a rotation and stick with it until a player performs poorly enough to be demoted or another guy gets a chance to play because of injury and performs well. Imagine Taylor gets rotation minutes the first 5 games and is just okay... but is then pushed out of the rotation because its someone else's turn. That gonna boost his confidence and help his development? If he sucks then sure send him to the G League. Say you give Samanic 5 games and he is just okay... but then you hand the keys to the rookie... Luka is fighting for his NBA life... that ain't gonna fly over well either.

Someone will win the first crack at the minutes in camp/preseason and will need to be knocked off the pedestal or knock themselves off the pedestal. That's how it works unless you are a tanking team.

Here's my perspective:

• Hardy's rotations last year exhibited more "cycling" characteristics than we ever saw from Quin; so saying what coaches "in general" do is begging the question a bit. I think in this "cycling," Hardy seems to follow a bit of the Popovich model more than the Snyder/Sloan model.
• The cycling was primarily with Dok/Jones and THT/NAW, rather than with anyone else, though I think Cy is right that maybe Simone's playing time might fit in a bit here as well. It wasn't Hardy's primary mode of determining playing time in relation to the whole team, or even the whole back end of the roster.
• I can only guess at the reasons for Hardy's cycling of playing time in the apparent cases from last year.
• I have no idea whether he'll use any of this cycling moving forward in upcoming seasons, though to rule it out seems a bit premature.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You misread if you thought that was my point. I said explicitly that injuries to others (Mike/Sexton) affected total minutes played (thus having a role in the spikes); but if you look at minutes relative to each other, THT's and NAW's minutes were not affected by their own injuries (these minutes relative to each other can also be seen from the graph).

When I say injuries affected their playing time I'm talking about others injuries... not their own... I never said their injuries were part of the reason.