What Utah going to the Pac does to rivalries

[Darkwing Duck]

It also must sting to know that like 40 recruits have called Utah in the last 48 hours.

Like, that's so like, probably like, you know, like an exaggeration or something.

I don't know how much it'll affect BYU recruiting, though. BYU is a bit unique in how it goes recruiting. I have difficulty seeing how Utah being in the PAC-10 changes that.

 

[JazzGal]

I don't know how much it'll affect BYU recruiting, though. BYU is a bit unique in how it goes recruiting. I have difficulty seeing how Utah being in the PAC-10 changes that.

Any great local/regional players who might want to stay in the area will certainly want to go to Utah now, where in the past they might have gone with BYU. I think it might hurt a little, but I doubt many players nationally are likely to struggle with a decision between the two. Mormon players will either choose BYU or a different school, but that isn't any more likely to be Utah than anywhere else.

As far as the rivalry goes, I think Utah will continue to play BYU unless BYU beats them a couple of times. It won't ever be the same - but maybe a little less hatred will do the state good.

 

[TroutBum]

This is what jealousy looks like. ^

Look at Utah's record against the Pac-10 the last 7 years. Not to mention our 2 BCS wins.

It also must sting to know that like 40 recruits have called Utah in the last 48 hours. Utah's recruiting will take a giant leap and probably put a dent in BYU's recruiting. Utah has arguably the best coach in the Pac-10.

This is what a dumbass looks like: ^

Science > The Pac 12

 

[SaltyDawg]

Like, that's so like, probably like, you know, like an exaggeration or something.

I don't know how much it'll affect BYU recruiting, though. BYU is a bit unique in how it goes recruiting. I have difficulty seeing how Utah being in the PAC-10 changes that.

It may be an exaggeration, or it may not be. But Kyle Whittingham is th eone who said it, in this interview, at about the 1:13 mark:
https://www.kall700sports.com/audio/play/2019

 

[TroutBum]

I heard it on the AM radio, it must be true.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I heard it on the AM radio, it must be true.

If you heard the Utes no nonsense head coach say it, then yes, it must be true.

If you hear some AM radio host say he thinks that is the case, there is room for doubt. But when Kyle Whittingham says it, that is about as accurate a source as you will find on how many recruits the Utes are talking to.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Are people really that naive to see why that wouldn't help recruiting?

Utah's pitch: Come here and play against USC,UCLA, Oregon, Cal. Chance to play in an automatic qualifying conference. Chance to play in the Rose Bowl/Natl Championship game. Games are on ABC/ESPN all the time. Even if they finish 4th you still play in a more prestigious bowl game than the LV Bowl. We have a much bigger budget to continually improve our facilities.

BYU: We have the honor code, We win our conference we go to the Las Vegas Bowl. Play against Wyo & New Mexico and SDSU. If we somehow luckily(hasn't happened in 25+ years) end up undefeated we might have a shot at a lesser BCS game. No shot at the Natl Championship.

What do you think most kids would take?

 

[TroutBum]

Are people really that naive to see why that wouldn't help recruiting?

Utah's pitch: Come here and play against USC,UCLA, Oregon, Cal. Chance to play in an automatic qualifying conference. Chance to play in the Rose Bowl/Natl Championship game. Games are on ABC/ESPN all the time. Even if they finish 4th you still play in a more prestigious bowl game than the LV Bowl. We have a much bigger budget to continually improve our facilities.

BYU: We have the honor code, We win our conference we go to the Las Vegas Bowl. Play against Wyo & New Mexico and SDSU. If we somehow luckily(hasn't happened in 25+ years) end up undefeated we might have a shot at a lesser BCS game. No shot at the Natl Championship.

What do you think most kids would take?

I choose BYU.

 

[Scorpjazz]

I said it a while back. I think this will only help the BYU-utah rivalry. Now, in years that BYU doesnt get to a BCS game, they will usually play the utes in the Vegas bowl. Top team in the MWC vs 4 or 5 place in PAC10/12....they will play every couple years in a bowl now.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I said it a while back. I think this will only help the BYU-utah rivalry. Now, in years that BYU doesnt get to a BCS game, they will usually play the utes in the Vegas bowl. Top team in the MWC vs 4 or 5 place in PAC10/12....they will play every couple years in a bowl now.

If the Utes were playing this coming season in the PAC, I think they would be the favorites to win it. I certainly can't think of 4 teams that would be expected to finish ahead of Utah.

By the way, the Las Vegas Bowl gets the 5th place PAC 10 team as of next year (was the 4th place PAC 10 team in the past.) And it drops a spot lower if the PAC champ is in the national championship and the 2nd place PAC team is BCS eligible (sending the second place PAC team to the Rose Bowl.) So it could be the 6th place PAC team in the Vegas Bowl, and won't be any higher than the 5th place PAC team:
https://washington.scout.com/2/977809.html

the 2009-10 Pac-10 Bowl Schedule.
Rose Bowl - Pasadena, CA (BCS vs. BCS)
Holiday Bowl - San Diego, CA (Pac Ten #2 vs. Big XII #3)
Sun Bowl - El Paso, TX (Pac Ten #3 vs. Big XII #5, Notre Dame tie-in)
Las Vegas Bowl - Las Vegas, NV (Pac Ten #4/5 vs. MWC #1)
Emerald Bowl - San Francisco, CA (ACC #7 vs. Pac Ten #4/5)
Poinsettia Bowl - San Diego, CA (Pac Ten #6 vs. MWC #2)

And here is the 2010-11 Pac-10 Bowl Schedule.
Rose Bowl - Pasadena, CA (BCS vs. BCS)
Alamo Bowl - San Antonio, TX (Pac-10 vs. Big 12)
Holiday Bowl - San Diego, CA (Pac-10 vs. Big 12)
Sun Bowl - El Paso, TX (Pac-10 vs. ACC)
Las Vegas Bowl - Las Vegas, NV (Pac-10 vs. Mountain West)
Fight Hunger Bowl - San Francisco, CA (Pac-10 vs. WAC)

So unless the unthinkable happens, Utah will be playing in a better bowl than the Vegas Bowl pretty much every year.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Bowls don't select the fifth place team or whatever, it's the pick of teams. Say if the Sun Bowl wanted Oregon instead of Utah for whatever reason, they can choose them even if they finished lower in the Pac-10.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Bowls don't select the fifth place team or whatever, it's the pick of teams. Say if the Sun Bowl wanted Oregon instead of Utah for whatever reason, they can choose them even if they finished lower in the Pac-10.

Makes no difference. The bottom line is the Vegas Bowl is way down the list of Bowls for the PAC, so Utah would likely be in a better bowl most years.