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What Utah going to the Pac does to rivalries

BYU will never get admitted to the Big 12. The Big 12 will disband before it can happen due to some other sort of defection to somewhere because Texas gets such a ridiculous amount of the TV revenue. So long and thanks for all the fish Texas.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Already recruited recruits or never been contacted to be recruited recruits?

I'd bet the former.
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Well if you listen to Whitt's radio interview that I linked to earlier, he says the biggest immediate impact he has seen with the announcement is with the improvement to recruiting.
 
Bronco70 said:
Last season, Utah barely lost (on the road) to the eventual PAC 10 champ. You care to back your claim with a list of four?
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WAsn't Cain still the QB in that game too?

I expect Utah to compete and compete well in the Pac-12.
 
The Thriller said:
Why was Gunther all bent out of shape over harmon's comments? What did he say that was so out of line?

https://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5298238
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He basically said the only reason BYU didn't get it was because of religious discrimination. The fact of the matter is, it's BYU fans who claim BYU should have been considered almost based entirely on the religious aspect. They claim they have some mythical national following because of the religious aspect.

Anyway, they asked him why Utah was a good choice for the PAC and he went on a rant about how BYU was a better choice but they were left out because of the religious discrimination. That's why a lot of Ute fans think he's a jackass.
 
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SaltyDawg said:
He basically said the only reason BYU didn't get it was because oif religious discrimination. The fact of the matter is, it's BYU fans who claim BYU should have been considered almost based entirely on the religious aspect. They claim they have some mythical national following because of the religious aspect.

Anyway, they asked him why Utah was a good choice for the PAC and he went on a rant about how BYU was a better choice but they were left out because of the religious dicrimination. That's why a lot of Ute fans think he's a jackass.
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What do you expect? The Pac is pretty liberal. I mean you have the LA schools & Berkley. BYU can't be surprised they didn't want to align with them. As a Utah fan I would love to see BYU get an invite into the Big 12 where I think they would be a better fit. Hell they have had Baylor in their conference with little problems (minus the Dave Bliss thing but that wasn't a religious issue).
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
What do you expect? The Pac is pretty liberal. I mean you have the LA schools & Berkley. BYU can't be surprised they didn't want to align with them. As a Utah fan I would love to see BYU get an invite into the Big 12 where I think they would be a better fit. Hell they have had Baylor in their conference with little problems (minus the Dave Bliss thing but that wasn't a religious issue).
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All of that may be true, but it still doesn't justify a supposedly unbiased and professional reporter going on national tv and claiming that BYU was a better choice than Utah and religious discrimination is the only reason they weren't chosen.
 
SaltyDawg said:
All of that may be true, but it still doesn't justify a supposedly unbiased and professional reporter going on national tv and claiming that BYU was a better choice than Utah and religious discrimination is the only reason they weren't chosen.
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Well anyone who follows local sports enough knows Dick Harmon is a BYU honk. Not surprising. I don't think he was totally wrong either. I think part of it was religion but not completely, and part of it was they were not that much bigger of a cash cow than the U to justify just dealing with their religious status. Hell do you think they would have accepted Notre Dame? Of course they would have.

BYU has a great tradition and is every bit deserving to play with a big conference and I hope they do.
 
Yeah, that was a little bit shocking to me. Certainly an eyebrow raiser to me.

I do think BYU would be a good fit for the Big XII. Wouldn't upset me at all if they were invited there.
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
Well anyone who follows local sports enough knows Dick Harmon is a BYU honk. Not surprising. I don't think he was totally wrong either. I think part of it was religion but not completely, and part of it was they were not that much bigger of a cash cow than the U to justify just dealing with their religious status. Hell do you think they would have accepted Notre Dame? Of course they would have.

BYU has a great tradition and is every bit deserving to play with a big conference and I hope they do.
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#1: Yeah, we all know he's a BYU homer. But the people in other states watching on ESPN don't know that.
#2: If you take religion out of it, BYU is a nobody. So for him to say religion is the only reason they weren't considered, when religion is actually the only reason they would be considered, is wrong.
#3: BYU does not meet the academic requirements of the PAC. And their athletics aren't big enough to overlook that.
#4: Not playing on Sundays is a big deal too. It's not religious discrimination either. It doesn't matter what religion they are, if they won't play on Sunday it is going to be a problem for any big time conference.

So considering that Utah does meet the PAC's academic requirements, and has had much better football and basketball programs on a national scale, it's ridiculous to say it was discrimination keeping BYU out.

BYU's biggest accomplishment on the football field in the last 15 years was what- a Vegas Bowl victory? Their biggest basketball victory was a first round NCA tounrnament victory? In that same time, Utah has been to the final 4, the elite 8, and several sweet 16s in basketball, and in football they won 2 BCS bowl games and went undefeated twice. There is no question who has made more noise in both football and basketball.

So for some jackass to claim that it was religious discrimination on national tv is ridiculous.
 
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No one has mentioned (that i know of) the battle for recruits in this state. And I'm not just talking about Utah having the edge against BYU.

Harvey Unga was originally committed to Utah. Then he saw how things were unsettled during the Meyer/Whit transition and went to BYU. However, today, think Harvey would change his mind? A steady football program with an automatic BCS conference? Easy choice.

A year or so ago, the Pac-10 picked off two offensive linemen from Cottonwood (Martinez) and Timpview (X-filho spelled his name wrong... he was their starting left tackle this year as a true freshman). that really good USC fullback (forgot his name) was from Utah. This year the PG quarterback was reportedly going to Stanford and a Timpview Safety was headed to Notre Dame. I'm sure i'm probably missing a few WRs and RBs from Alta, Cottonwood, Bingham, etc. In fact, one went to either Cal or Oregon St (can't remember). He was that really short but quick RB from Cottonwood. Anyone else remember him?

Now true, some of these guys maybe would still go to those other PAC-10 schools. But perhaps fewer athletes in this state will leave this state to play in the Pac-10 now that UofU is now a part of the conference.

this is huge for the University of Utah.
 
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