I would consider doing Kanter + our 2 picks for Davis, if we could in turn flip some combination of Harris, Paul, and Jefferson for a proven wing player or top 10 PG.
What would you give up for a top 3 pick?
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For who? A wing that can't shoot? Or a big that would be lucky to be as good as our starters or as rife with potential as our backups? Drummond interests me on potential alone but he's been a straight-up dud.
If Barnes tears up the tournament, then I might revisit this idea. I don't see anything happening in the tournament that would make me change my mind on that idea. You have to know the player you want to do that, you have to know they won't fall to you, and you have to be able to guarantee them a spot in the rotation to give up so much.
Highlight defense is possibly the most overrated thing in the NBA.
Fundamentals matter. You defend with your feet first, guarding with your hands and playing for turnovers rarely means an effective defense in the NBA.
margodydek
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How 'bout this one? Say NOH gets the #3 and #13 picks, and we have #9 and #11. Would you trade our two picks and Millsap for NOH's two picks?
Now that is intriguing. I might do it. I'd have to pay closer attention to who is where though in the draft.
Yep.
For the record, I think Millsap is the only veteran player on this team that can stay and remain a major contributor through this rebuild. He plays better around better players, and other players play better when he's on the floor.
Stifle Tower
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And there were only TWO good players in the draft last year (Irving, Williams) in what was the worst draft in a decade. Yet, somehow, we wound up with Kanter and Burks, who both look like they'll have excellent NBA careers.
I'd rather keep both picks if we have them. Yes, we could end up with a Snyder/Humphries situation. But we could also trade up and get an Oden, Marvin Williams, etc. Big guys always go higher; fortunately we aren't in the market for a center or power forward. Looking at the prospects, I think it reasonable to assume we will end up with a couple of good wings, or maybe a wing + Lillard. Jazz have potentially 5 good assets: the Memo TPE, the expirings of Harris, Jefferson (and/or Millsap) and one or two lottery picks. The tax hit becomes very punitive in 2 years for teams over the limit, so I think KOC has a great opportunity to use the TPE and those expirings to add a couple of good players. Combine those with lottery picks, and Utah could even pick up very good veteran starters. That might be how KOC tries to play it, given the youth we already have.
Stifle Tower
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The AK approach. Favors sure looked like AK on some of those blocks last night, coming over on help defense, getting blocks from behind. If he could just develop some consistency, I'd start to get a real man crush.
That is way too much to give up. First, Millsap is a borderline All-star and has proven more than any potential draft pick. Now you want to also give them two lottery picks. Heck I am not sure that Davis is worth that. THe only guy I would try to move up to get is Davis and I have questions about his offensive game and his ability to stand up to actually men who play in the NBA. He is really SKINNY!.
I think the Jazz should use patience and acquire as much young talent as possible. Then they can either trade AJ/Harris/Millsap for a veteran in a position of need.
The other issue starts with finding a team who is dumb enough to move down in a draft that has a lot of depth but few superstar (potential) players. The Jazz best bet is to get extremely lucky with their pick and not have to move up.
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Yeah, Favors does that better than Kanter too. His pick n roll defense, his perimeter defense, and his man D down low is usually better than Kanter's.
Favors is much more than a "highlight" defender.
I never said that's all he was, but he definitely goes from 0 to defense if there's a highlight play to be made. And he doesn't move his feet better. I'm consistently surprised at how often it looks like Favors feet are dragging on the perimeter or that he refuses to even attempt to guard stretch 4s. Or how often he doesn't show hard on pick and roll D.
Look, I like Favors, but Favors' biggest impediment to being better than he is is himself. You will find no disagreement from anyone that Favors SHOULD be the better defender, whether he actually is or not.
If you put any stock into on/off court points allowed, 48-minute and pace adjusted, Kanter is the better defender (In order: Kanter, Favors, Millsap, Jefferson). That is to say, Favors is still a very good defensive player, but he could be a total nightmare for other teams but he's not (yet?).