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What's JazzFanz's stance on Marriage Equality?

Xsy said:
I would support that-- but what's the point of having two identical things with separate names? There's no point in being THAT picky about a word. A WORD.
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I would like to point out that the pro-gay marriage crowd are making just as big a stink about the word marriage. They won't accept having just civil unions. They want the word marriage to apply to them as well. Seems like it is a pretty damn important word.
 
Scat said:
I would like to point out that the pro-gay marriage crowd are making just as big a stink about the word marriage. They won't accept having just civil unions. They want the word marriage to apply to them as well. Seems like it is a pretty damn important word.
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If Marriage and Civil Unions were equal in every aspect except in name, what would the point be to call it two different things?
 
One Brow said:
I agree up until the last sentence. It's not meant to be, it's trained into us from a young age and continually reinforced by a culture steeped in adn dependent upon people taking these roles. Moms and dads, when they were girls and boys, were taught to shut off or ignore aspects of themselves, and later can't bring to their children what they have never had for themselves.
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Well, it certainly can become a chicken and egg argument. Did those roles come naturally or were they brow-beaten into kids as they grew up and it became a vicious gender-biased cycle? I prefer the optimistic route.
 
CONAN said:
Well, it certainly can become a chicken and egg argument. Did those roles come naturally or were they brow-beaten into kids as they grew up and it became a vicious gender-biased cycle? I prefer the optimistic route.
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or how do you explain cultures who never had contact with the outside world. exhibiting the same gender roles.

eg some tribe in brazil who never ever had contact withthtoutside world, forgot the tribes name.
but yeah same basic gender role.
eg women stay home take care of children do dishes etc.
while men hunt and gather.


it's been like this with almost all cultures
 
DutchJazzer said:
or how do you explain cultures who never had contact with the outside world. exhibiting the same gender roles
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it's been like this with almost all cultures
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There hae been cultures that were cut off for a long period of time, but none of them were always cut off.

I have no problem with the notion that under primitive conditions, our biological sexual dimorphism led to specific cultural roles. However, even in those tribes, the roles are programmed by the needs of the culture much more than they are inherent.
 
My opinion is that it's a little of both. And that's a good thing. Experience and knowledge can be passed down and the generation behind you can be better. And this can be done while respecting gender and roles.

I think ideally mom stays home with the kids (especially when they are younger duh). That is best-case scenario. But it doesn't always work out that way and you do the best you can. We've gone through years where the wife has stayed home, years where I stayed home, and years where neither stayed home. The world is too crazy to keep that structure static.
 
Xsy said:
If Marriage and Civil Unions were equal in every aspect except in name, what would the point be to call it two different things?
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IMO it would help gays be more accepted if they would just let the word marriage apply only to only heterosexual couples. As it is, many people feel like they are being forced to do something they are very much against i.e. accepting gay marriage.

Why are gays so against simply having a civil union? By the way, that's a rhetorical question. I know the answer.
 
Scat said:
IMO it would help gays be more accepted if they would just let the word marriage apply only to only heterosexual couples. As it is, many people feel like they are being forced to do something they are very much against i.e. accepting gay marriage.
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I think brunettes would be much more accepted if they would just let the word marriage apply on to blond marriages. As it is, many people feel like they are being forced to do something they are very much against i.e. accepting brunette marriage.

You really can't argue with logic like that.
 
One Brow said:
I think brunettes would be much more accepted if they would just let the word marriage apply on to blond marriages. As it is, many people feel like they are being forced to do something they are very much against i.e. accepting brunette marriage.

You really can't argue with logic like that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04&feature=related
 
I saw this conversation and wanted to join in but I didnt' because I was really late. Now I'm extremely late, but I want to run a question by some people. Please comment (if you already went over it, I'm sorry! Please refer me to which page I should read...I just didn't want to go through 46 pages!)

If we allow homosexual marriage, what is stopping polygamy? If you allow a man to marry a man, why can't three men get married?
 
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