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When Should the Jazz Stop Tanking?

At what point should the Jazz stop trying to optimize their draft pick and use assets to get better?

  • This year, the FO should always put together the best team possible.

    Votes: 4 8.3%

  • After we this year, no matter what, since we won't owe a pick to OKC.

    Votes: 31 64.6%

  • Once we have a young all star to build around. (e.g. less than 24)

    Votes: 4 8.3%

  • As soon as we have drafted a potential MVP level player (theoretical)

    Votes: 5 10.4%

  • After we have a demonstrated potential MVP level player

    Votes: 2 4.2%

  • Once we have a core of young players (pick an age) that win at a high level.

    Votes: 2 4.2%

  • Depends on who is available to spend assets on.

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • Depends on competition (I.E. waiting out OKC, or dominant player like Wemby)

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Other: Please comment

    Votes: 3 6.3%
  • Total voters
    48
HadAnEffectHere said:
You can like a player and still think of them as a mega project. The Suns traded Kevin Durant for Maluach as the center piece of the trade and then immediately got two guys to play over him because they didn't think he was even slightly close to an NBA player yet.
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I'm saying nobody who had Ace #3 on their board thought he could never play on the ball and it would take 4-5 years for him to be good. People who like Ace like him precisely for his on ball creation scoring.
 
KqWIN said:
I'm saying nobody who had Ace #3 on their board thought he could never play on the ball and it would take 4-5 years for him to be good. People who like Ace like him precisely for his on ball creation scoring.
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I mean, he was so incredibly far away as an on-ball scorer that it would make me even more confused if Austin thought he could reach that potential anytime soon.

Again, you don't draft 18 year olds who were bad in college if you're planning to turn this thing really soon and your star has a pretty obvious age countdown on them. Even if you think the 18 year old will be great eventually.

It was like the Blazers drafting Sharpe #6... The future was pretty obvious after that.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
I mean, he was so incredibly far away as an on-ball scorer that it would make me even more confused if Austin thought he could reach that potential anytime soon.

Again, you don't draft 18 year olds who were bad in college if you're planning to turn this thing really soon and your star has a pretty obvious age countdown on them. Even if you think the 18 year old will be great eventually.
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If your opinion was the only opinion to ever exist and nobody could ever think something different, you might be onto something. I'm not even disagreeing with you on his on ball scoring, what I'm saying is that many people were enchanted by his PPG and self created scoring.
 
Where some people see tanking, I just see a bad team without no option to be much better.
Where some people see strategy, I just see semantics ("let's loose a lot"); strategy means lots of parts coherently being managed and executed.. I do not see that.
 
outerspacefan said:
Where some people see tanking, I just see a bad team without no option to be much better.
Where some people see strategy, I just see semantics ("let's loose a lot"); strategy means lots of parts coherently being managed and executed.. I do not see that.
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But “let’s loose a lot” is of indeterminate meaning, because we presuppose that you mean “lose.” We have no definitive knowledge of your intentions.
 
David Hume said:
But “let’s loose a lot” is of indeterminate meaning, because we presuppose that you mean “lose.” We have no definitive knowledge of your intentions.
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Sir, I won't be the one telling you that "definitive knowledge" is a misguided concept.
That said, "my semantics are loose" is an expression width good probability to be true ;)
 
There are so many young studs in the WC: Wemby/Harper, Luka, SGA/Chet/Williams, Ant, Flagg.

They have little choice but to lose until they get a potential top 10 talent on the roster via draft/trade or whatever if they want to contend in the coming years.

They really don't need to lose on purpose as they don't have enough talented guys on the roster to compete on a nightly basis.
 
tksavis said:
at this point seeing all the young guys play…I have to conclude it’s going to be a long, long time before we can stop tanking.
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Nah, they can decide to stop tanking whenever they want to. It's easy to stop tanking.
 
Look we may still suck next year... but it won't be nearly as intentional as it has been the last few years. They will compete for the play in starting next year and may fail miserably but won't have to manage the OKC pick and can point to flattened odds as part of a reason for hope.
 
A few days ago it was crazy to bench Svi because of all the development he brings. I can't believe you guys would consider resting Lauri.
 
fishonjazz said:
Why not both?
Unethical tanking shenanigans is smart asset management sometimes.
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Agreed, it can be both, but I think there are some subtilties that can make it less unethical. For example last year Lauri sat out basically all of our games against our top tanking competition. I think if you let Lauri play against the worst teams instead of the best teams then his numbers will be better and you are probably increasing his value, vs if you let him play against the better teams and not the worse teams you are maximizing losses, but maybe not maximizing Lauri's value.
 
KqWIN said:
A few days ago it was crazy to bench Svi because of all the development he brings. I can't believe you guys would consider resting Lauri.
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Who are, "you guys"?

It's also not 100% black and white, there are sometimes competing priorities, also priorities change over the course of the season.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Who are, "you guys"?

It's also not 100% black and white, there are sometimes competing priorities, also priorities change over the course of the season.
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I wasn't saying that the same people have both these arguments, just having a little fun. I'm 100% behind resting Lauri, but it's just amusing to me because a week ago I was arguing if playing Svi was important. It's the same conversation, just magnified x10. So I'm curious if those people with strong opinions about Svi also have strong opinions about Lauri.
 
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