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When will Jefferson have breakout season?

GVC said:
It's amazing that Millsap was able to score as much as he did last season with Big Al parked down low. Millsap is absolutely deadly from the free throw line extended and short corner, but, especially from the short corner, there's a lot less room for him to operate with Big Al down in the low post. Dude's legit, and while he may not be able to get contact-free shots like Al, he draws fouls through contact AND finishes at a much higher rate than Big Al. He's a much more complete offensive player (and scorer IMO).
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All the proof anyone needs you saw about 10 Jazz games last year on blurry pirated internet feeds. Milsap a much more complete offensive player than Al? Hilarious. Keep jerking off to Moneyball and I'll look forward to your analysis of boxscores next year.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Millsap can create his own offense. He just can't do it as a #1 or #2 option consistently. He has a lot of moves from the elbow he can put on his opponent.
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Exactly my point. Yeah, Sap's not helpless. He can make a few plays. And you absolutely win with him. You just can't play through him down low because he doesn't have a post game. More importantly, you'll never see Sap draw a double team which makes us much easier to defend. That said, I think Al and Sap playing well together is going to be one of the big surprises of the NBA season next year.
 
billyshelby said:
All the proof anyone needs you saw about 10 Jazz games last year on blurry pirated internet feeds. Milsap a much more complete offensive player than Al? Hilarious. Keep jerking off to Moneyball and I'll look forward to your analysis of boxscores next year.
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Man, getting your *** stomped routinely brings out the best (and most redundant) in you.
 
Ronnie Brewer = Rip Hamilton. One of Jerry's latest follies was not developing Ronnie Price.
 
billyshelby said:
You're missing the big point. GVC thinks any efficient scorer given more shots will produce as well as Al. He doesn't understand that there aren't that many guys in the NBA who can even get their own shot. Or that having guys who can get their own shot are essential to winning. He thinks Al's numbers were produced because he was allowed to shoot, not because Al has any special ability. GVC will tell you that Millsap could produce Al's numbers with a few extra shots, but those shots are being denied to him, not because he couldn't get them. Al averaging 21/11 and 23/11 for two years on Minny was only because he had carte blanch to shoot, not because he's extremely talented, and he hurt those teams doing that just as he'll hurt the Jazz if he does it again.
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Whether Millsap's efficiency would drop is not all that relevant. We know Jefferson's efficiency is not up to par for a #1 scoring option if you want to be successful in this league. These are facts from the last six years in the league and don't see it changing. Could he be a second option? Probably, but since he's getting paid first option money he has to go I think. If Millsap was making 14 million a year I would be on his case as well but he is actually a bargain for the numbers he puts up.
 
billyshelby said:
You just can't play through him down low because he doesn't have a post game. More importantly, you'll never see Sap draw a double team which makes us much easier to defend.
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You can't play through Al down low and expect to win either. And double teams? What has Al done with double teams? Either avoided contact or made a pass that didn't lead to an easier shot. I fail to see how that helps.

This fascination with a back-to-the-basket game and length on this site is remarkable. It's not 1984 anymore, and Big Al isn't Hakeem Olajuwon. ****.

And if Al were such a better offensive player than Millsap, it would have shown up in some stat somewhere...anywhere. Yes, Big Al scored 1.3 more points per game than Millsap, but he attempted 3.1 more field goals per game as well. He had a lower assist rate, didn't facilitate easy offense for his teammates, and didn't run the floor as well as Millsap. I understand you value style over substance - as evidenced by your annual "THIS IS CJ'S YEAR!!!!!!!!" threads - but take a step back, buddy.

I've yet to see you even try to make a compelling argument. Instead, you do nothing but insult. I at least try to do both.
 
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The search function works. I've made plenty of arguments. But I love the way you pretend there are no stats to justify Al being a much better offensive player than Sap. In February, Al averaged 24/10. In March, he averaged 24/12 (I get to round up!) He shot around .540. As you didn't see any of those games, I can understand why you only want to look at the season numbers to make your points. But everyone wasting time watching games saw that Al was really struggling early in the season to grasp the offense. When it clicked for him, he was dynamite. In a thousand seasons, Sap will never put up 24/11 for two months. Sap is still a very good player, and he and Al can be a great tandem on the floor, but Sap isn't in Al's league offensively.
 
billyshelby said:
Exactly my point. Yeah, Sap's not helpless. He can make a few plays. And you absolutely win with him. You just can't play through him down low because he doesn't have a post game. More importantly, you'll never see Sap draw a double team which makes us much easier to defend. That said, I think Al and Sap playing well together is going to be one of the big surprises of the NBA season next year.
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They did not play very well together at all. I guess you might have missed most of the season.
 
billyshelby said:
The search function works. I've made plenty of arguments. But I love the way you pretend there are no stats to justify Al being a much better offensive player than Sap. In February, Al averaged 24/10. In March, he averaged 24/12 (I get to round up!) He shot around .540. As you didn't see any of those games, I can understand why you only want to look at the season numbers to make your points. But everyone wasting time watching games saw that Al was really struggling early in the season to grasp the offense. When it clicked for him, he was dynamite. In a thousand seasons, Sap will never put up 24/11 for two months. Sap is still a very good player, and he and Al can be a great tandem on the floor, but Sap isn't in Al's league offensively.
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Can you remind me what Utahs record was in the months of February and March? We must have been dominating teams if Big Al was putting up these kinds of numbers!!!
 
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BabyPeterzz said:
One gripe I would like to point out, simply because I can and I find this annoying....

Look. I love that the Turks have come to share in the collective good and excitment that Kanter brings to this board and the Jazz. But ****, I'm tired of listening to the obvious jabs at our existing bigs in an attempt to somehow make room for Kanter. Like we should scrap all of our bigmen and start Kanter. Please mother*******. Kanter is good, and will perhaps be really good, but the kid needs to pay his dues and prove himself. Until then, Al and Sal aren't going anywhere. And sure as **** Kanter is not taking one of their spots until he shows he can play in the NBA. I'm excited about Kanter, but this whole "Big Al sucks, make room for Kanter" bull**** has got to stop. It's stupid and annoying as ****.
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I don't really pay attention to it, but some of these Kanter homers are hysterical

I think i've seen him compared to every NBA big superstar present and past now, Karl Malone, Dirk Nowitzki, Charles Barkley, etc...I don't know how good Kanter will become but imagine more people would have been higher on him in a weak draft if he was as good as people claim. Draft Express had him as their 11th best draft prospect for this draft, not saying they are right, i'm willing to give Kanter a chance but all those guys at DE do is look at prospects.
 
Kanter, the next Malone? Dirk? Shaq?

I think he should strive to be the next Udonis Haslem or Luis Scola.

Lets start with more realistic expectations folks.
 
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