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Where Does Hood End Up?

Where Does Hood End Up?

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Ron Mexico said:
History doesnt support that idea. Teams have bought 1st round picks for a long time and given them up easily. Maybe due to teams over spending recently that changed for a year or two but it will go back to normal.

2nd rounds you can do options on players and have so many more things you can do with their contract. Or if they suck you are not stuck with them for the full guaranteed contract.
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Recent history (the most relevant history) says that teams don't sell first round picks anymore.

The last pick that was sold was Rudy... a second round pick went back too, but that is the last one that was primarily cash considerations. If teams were giving them up "easily" there would have been one sold in the last 4 years.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Recent history (the most relevant history) says that teams don't sell first round picks anymore.

The last pick that was sold was Rudy... a second round pick went back too, but that is the last one that was primarily cash considerations. If teams were giving them up "easily" there would have been one sold in the last 4 years.
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Yes, teams have overspent lately because of the change in the CBA. I dont believe it will stay that way, it is just temporary. Besides we have had some drafts that were perceived as deep lately. The last one that wasnt deep was the year Jazz bought a pick no problem. There will be plenty more of those drafts. I am not sure this year is a deep draft.

Either way even if they are not being sold again they are not that valuable. Its nothing to rebuild a team around. It is extremely rare for one of those picks to turn into anything worth while. It is very very unlikely a late 1st turns into a player of Hoods value, we got lucky on that pick. He far exceeded his draft position. We would be better off trying to keep him for a good deal than dumping him for a late 1st.

People keep thinking we will land great picks late. It is not likely to happen. Building a team based on that is a poor idea.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Yes, teams have overspent lately because of the change in the CBA. I dont believe it will stay that way, it is just temporary. Besides we have had some drafts that were perceived as deep lately. The last one that wasnt deep was the year Jazz bought a pick no problem. There will be plenty more of those drafts. I am not sure this year is a deep draft.

Either way even if they are not being sold again they are not that valuable. Its nothing to rebuild a team around. It is extremely rare for one of those picks to turn into anything worth while. It is very very unlikely a late 1st turns into a player of Hoods value, we got lucky on that pick. He far exceeded his draft position. We would be better off trying to keep him for a good deal than dumping him for a late 1st.

People keep thinking we will land great picks late. It is not likely to happen. Building a team based on that is a poor idea.
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Selling firsts wasn't that prevalent before the Rudy pick either. Seconds are sold every year... Late first is more valuable than early second.

Picks in the 20s regularly become contributors. 2-5 become rotation players every year. Most years there is a home run pick in that range. Hood exceeded his draft position no doubt. That is not a reason to keep him. You trade him because the future value you can get for him plus his allocated salary exceeds his value to us now or in the future. A pick from 15-25 is fair value for him. I don't think he is a trade asset when he signs his new FA contract. I believe he gets 15-20 or more per year. I've seen some say 10-12 but I just don't see that.

When you get a rotation player on the cheap for 4 years it helps you allocate resources to other places. Hit a home run and it changes your franchise. Strike out and it isn't a huge deal (unless you strike out every year). A rotation player that is worse than Rodney but makes 12-15M less per year is much more valuable than Rodney.

Keeping Hood is a safer low upside route. Try and find the next Hood and try to get a bargain FA is the route I would choose.
 
And you aren't building around the late first rounder. You are hoping to get a building block but not banking on it. I don't think Hood is a building block personally.

You build around the lotto picks and hope to get lucky on the late ones. You add a free agent if you can in the meantime.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Selling firsts wasn't that prevalent before the Rudy pick either. Seconds are sold every year... Late first is more valuable than early second.

Picks in the 20s regularly become contributors. 2-5 become rotation players every year. Most years there is a home run pick in that range. Hood exceeded his draft position no doubt. That is not a reason to keep him. You trade him because the future value you can get for him plus his allocated salary exceeds his value to us now or in the future. A pick from 15-25 is fair value for him. I don't think he is a trade asset when he signs his new FA contract. I believe he gets 15-20 or more per year. I've seen some say 10-12 but I just don't see that.

When you get a rotation player on the cheap for 4 years it helps you allocate resources to other places. Hit a home run and it changes your franchise. Strike out and it isn't a huge deal (unless you strike out every year). A rotation player that is worse than Rodney but makes 12-15M less per year is much more valuable than Rodney.

Keeping Hood is a safer low upside route. Try and find the next Hood and try to get a bargain FA is the route I would choose.
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Either way that does not rebuild our team. You are saying the best case scenario is to hope to get the next Hood on a cheap deal that we can spend the next 4 years trying to develop into a winning rotational level player. I would rather trade him for a player that helps now or keep him. I would be okay with a pick in the future that has a chance at being a good pick but thats not my first choice. I dont want to take low odd chances at building a good team around our two all-star level players in Gobert and Mitchell.

Most Rookies dont help you team win. Most young players take 4+ years to help you win.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Either way that does not rebuild our team. You are saying the best case scenario is to hope to get the next Hood on a cheap deal that we can spend the next 4 years trying to develop into a winning rotational level player. I would rather trade him for a player that helps now or keep him. I would be okay with a pick in the future that has a chance at being a good pick but thats not my first choice. I dont want to take low odd chances at building a good team around our two all-star level players in Gobert and Mitchell.

Most Rookies dont help you team win. Most young players take 4+ years to help you win.
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We've gotten 3.5 years of solid production out of Hood. Some guys contribute as rookies and that is ideal. Wasn't like he was Dante and not helping the team.

Even if you get a guy like OG or Kyle Kuzma who help, but aren't helping as much... you can get a haul for moving one of those guys for proven talent.

I think our contending window goes with DM becoming an All Star... get something that hopefully matches that timeline. Most guys don't take four years if they are good.
 
Hekate said:
Bender is shootin around %35 inside the arc. Has 21 FTAs for the year. But he is 20.
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Shooting better from behind the arc than inside it, IIRC. I want a good and proper 3&D PF/C, and everything I've heard suggests that is exactly what he is/could be and basically nothing else (which I'm fine with).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Recent history (the most relevant history) says that teams don't sell first round picks anymore.

The last pick that was sold was Rudy... a second round pick went back too, but that is the last one that was primarily cash considerations. If teams were giving them up "easily" there would have been one sold in the last 4 years.
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That was also one of the worst drafts in the last 20 years. And again, it was cash AND a second-rounder.
 
infection said:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydaf5tgf

Jazz trade:
Hood
Rubio
Burks
A second round pick

Phoenix trades:
Bender
Dudley
Monroe
One of their first rounders this year
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Too much stuff. Also feels like The Jazz get to offload a bunch of unnecessary contracts that aren't expedient to be rid of. I also don't think Phoenix is in any hurry to dump a solid vet/locker-room guy/mentor. I also would prefer keeping Rubio than dealing with Monroe.
 
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