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White House Discord: Bob Woodward Book, NYT Op-Ed

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Stars Fan said:
Resignation, very unlikely unless there is a credible threat of impeachment.

Death; hope not, but accepted. So three ways.

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I think it is possible that if article 25 was initiated and the majority of his cabinet not only approved of it but also came out with details regarding the way the administration has been dysfunctional, same stuff we've heard but with people putting their names to the stories, he might go ahead and resign. How could he recover from that? He'd have to fire his entire cabinet, vice President included, and start over. That would seriously degrade his support amongst Republican legislators and he'd have a very shallow pool of people willing to take positions in his administration and they'd all be bottom of the barrel types.
 
Stars Fan said:
The 25th amendment is not the answer. It is intended for situations like FDR, JFK if he had been on life support, or possibly Regan if his Alzheimer's had been worse. If there is not a clear incapacitation, there would be too much infighting that would break the nation apart.

The only two ways this ends are impeachment, or election. Impeachment is only an option if the dems get control of the Senate, so we're back to change through the ballot box.

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And conviction in the Senate requires a 2/3 vote, so a slim Democratic majority in the Senate, which is likely the most Democrats could hope for at this point, won't likely be enough to remove Trump via impeachment. Dependent, maybe, on Mueller's findings.
 
Stoked said:
Hypothetical. If it is true wouldn’t it be? Isn’t aides stealing documents off the presidents desk a security risk, unethical, illegal...
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I don't know, but is the op-ed illegal? Did the op-ed reveal classified info? I don't think so, and in any event taking papers off Trump's desk is not what Trump told Sessions to investigate. He wants Sessions to find out who wrote the op-ed.
 
Bulletproof said:
Trump is asking his dear friend and appointee Jeff Sessions to investigate who wrote the Op-Ed, stating that it's a matter of national security.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/07/politics/donald-trump-jeff-sessions-investigation/index.html
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Now Sessions and the Justice Department just have to figure out what laws were broken in writing an op-ed. Perhaps, because it appeared in the New York Times, the individual could be charged with giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
 
Bulletproof said:
I think it is possible that if article 25 was initiated and the majority of his cabinet not only approved of it but also came out with details regarding the way the administration has been dysfunctional, same stuff we've heard but with people putting their names to the stories, he might go ahead and resign. How could he recover from that? He'd have to fire his entire cabinet, vice President included, and start over. That would seriously degrade his support amongst Republican legislators and he'd have a very shallow pool of people willing to take positions in his administration and they'd all be bottom of the barrel types.
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That's, in part, why I think this op ed it's such a gift to the Donald. He can use it to shift focus away from the dysfunction and onto the conspiracy of the deep state. That will make it harder for anyone to oppose him openly. In the mean time the more credible and more thoroughly sourced dysfunction in the Woodward book is rotting away unnoticed. And when the book is actually released, it will be "old news."

I love your optimism and would hope that the cabinet would all stand up and say "enough is enough." I wouldn't take that to Vegas though.

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Bulletproof said:
Trump is asking his dear friend and appointee Jeff Sessions to investigate who wrote the Op-Ed, stating that it's a matter of national security.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/07/politics/donald-trump-jeff-sessions-investigation/index.html
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And the true witch hunt begins. Everyone will be suspect, and the cult of personality still take firm hold of the cabinet.

Maybe in a true GoT twist, anonymous is really a Donald loyalist, and will use the op ed to purge the cabinet of the unworthy.

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Stars Fan said:
That's, in part, why I think this op ed it's such a gift to the Donald. He can use it to shift focus away from the dysfunction and onto the conspiracy of the deep state. That will make it harder for anyone to oppose him openly. In the mean time the more credible and more thoroughly sourced dysfunction in the Woodward book is rotting away unnoticed. And when the book is actually released, it will be "old news."

I love your optimism and would hope that the cabinet would all stand up and say "enough is enough." I wouldn't take that to Vegas though.

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Coming on the heals of excerpts from Woodward's book, the op-ed does seem like a great point of emphasis to use by Trump in telling his base the Deep State is out to get him. And Republicans do come out more in midterms then Democrats. Now Obama has openly joined the battle for Congress. His open criticism of Trump yesterday was an extraordinary thing to see, a predecessor attacking the current occupant of the Oval Office. And some are not sure that Obama entering the ring will help or hurt at this point.

I've assumed that Trump was using the Deep State narrative as the "alternative reality" to feed his base and undermine Mueller. But, seemingly paranoid and absolutely given to conspiracy thought to begin with, now he sees his counter attack narrative welling up as a reality within his own staff. Documented by Woodward, in his face by Anonymous. Not a calming influence on an unhinged mind.

I expect Anonymous to be outed before the midterms. We'll see. Now that should make for an interesting chapter in this remarkable moment in our nation's history.

And speaking of Anonymous, too funny watching Trump trying to pronounce the word yesterday:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-anonymous-mispronounce_us_5b91ddd2e4b0cf7b003e25d7
 
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