Who gets waived?

[homeytennis]

But Lee was second team all GLeague. The last time the Jazz had royalty like that was Brantley and the Minivan.

 

[HeatCheck]

On the original poll voted Lee, Johnson, Gay. At this point I would probably change my vote to Lee(duh), Gay, and sadly Dok. I'm going to assume Zeller doesn't make it either especially considering his non guaranteed contract.

Lee had a few impressive dunks in the scrimmage but didn't see much else. Piston fans said he was a G League star but pretty bad in the actual games. The odds were stacked against him considering the organization has invested a draft pick and a full season of player development in Butler. They had nothing invested in Lee and the Pistons had already paid his salary for this season to grease the wheels.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We were literally paid Lee’s entire contract in cash from Detroit. He was only thrown in to make salary work so it was easy to see the writing on the wall for him.

And they bring him to camp to see if they found something on accident before releasing him. There is a chance someone claims him and we don't pay his salary... but it does give him a chance to land in another spot.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Listened to Locke today and he talked a little about this. Based on his comments I think NAW, JB might be fairly safe. Bubble guys... Bolmaro but he mentioned he likely makes it too... Johnson, Doke... couldn't remember if he mentioned Gay much.

I honestly think you could trade Johnson and maybe get a light asset... like a bad second rounder... but I don't think you'd have to eat that salary. He would likely be claimed off waivers... so again you aren't eating the salary.

The cut should be Gay, Doke... I think it is likely Johnson/Dok.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

He has every incentive. We aren't talking about a lot of money and he is at the end of his career and should want to try and win a championship.

Let me get this straight. So you’re suggesting we keep him into the season? This thread is about who gets waived to bring our active roster down to 15. As I said, he has no reason to negotiate a buy out now, because once he clears waivers he can still go out and negotiate another deal and still play for another team.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Listened to Locke today and he talked a little about this. Based on his comments I think NAW, JB might be fairly safe. Bubble guys... Bolmaro but he mentioned he likely makes it too... Johnson, Doke... couldn't remember if he mentioned Gay much.

I honestly think you could trade Johnson and maybe get a light asset... like a bad second rounder... but I don't think you'd have to eat that salary. He would likely be claimed off waivers... so again you aren't eating the salary.

The cut should be Gay, Doke... I think it is likely Johnson/Dok.

Yeah, I’m thinking Johnson gets waived as well but he likely gets claimed and I agree we could get a 2nd for him but likely won’t.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Let me get this straight. So you’re suggesting we keep him into the season? This thread is about who gets waived to bring our active roster down to 15. As I said, he has no reason to negotiate a buy out now, because once he clears waivers he can still go out negotiate another deal and still play for another team.

Which is why they very well might waive someone else... keep him on the roster and just send him away from the team if his attitude is really crappy. At that point he can decide to take a buyout (if he has other suitors... his agent would be allowed to canvas the league to see what teams if any would sign him) or keep all his money and burn a year of his career.

Now in the next week might both sides have a little talk and give him the smallest buyout like maybe he takes $300-400k less and we can keep one of the guys we prefer? Maybe.

He will not be waiving the final year on that deal though. At best I think we are talking about him giving like 1.7M back over the 2 years.

If they can't figure it out the Jazz should just waive him so he's away from the team and they can have an open roster spot or keep someone they like.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Which is why they very well might waive someone else... keep him on the roster and just send him away from the team if his attitude is really crappy. At that point he can decide to take a buyout (if he has other suitors... his agent would be allowed to canvas the league to see what teams if any would sign him) or keep all his money and burn a year of his career.

Now in the next week might both sides have a little talk and give him the smallest buyout like maybe he takes $300-400k less and we can keep one of the guys we prefer? Maybe.

He will not be waiving the final year on that deal though. At best I think we are talking about him giving like 1.7M back over the 2 years.

If they can't figure it out the Jazz should just waive him so he's away from the team and they can have an open roster spot or keep someone they like.

Obviously and that’s a completely different scenario than Sip was suggesting. It also hamstrings us if he won’t play ball on a buyout unless we’re lucky enough to find a trade he can be part of.

It will be a real shame if we cut Johnson and keep Gay with a hope and a prayer predicated on sunk cost.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

If we’re stuck with Gay, I’d probably have to let Bolmaro go before Johnson as NAW does everything Bolmaro does and just a tad better. I’d also shuttle Butler ahead of Dok.

 

[HeatCheck]

I really liked what I saw from Johnson in that 2nd preseason game with the 2nd unit esp in the 3rd quarter. It would be a shame to cut him because of Gay's guaranteed money.
As a rebuild team Bolmaro is another guy they should try to develop. He looks to have a bit of trouble finishing at the rim but does have potential as a 6'-6" guy with ballhandling/playmaking skills.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Saban Lee was the easiest one to guess since we were basically given money to waive him. He would have had to have been amazing to get a roster spot. I wonder if there was a little bit of a competition with him and Butler and Butler won, although I'm not sure Butler is safe yet.

It seems like the other possible roster spot competition is Stanley Johnson vs Rudy Gay. Stanley Johnson has been getting a lot of love from the media lately whereas Gay is getting the opposite. Because of the contract I'm skeptical that Gay gets waived, but maybe. Or maybe they are just trying to create Stanley Johnson buzz so someone tries to take him in under a TPE.

It's possible they both get waived, however, it seems like the 3rd guy most likely on the chopping block is Dok. I think he could provide some entertainment this year, but it's hard to compete when you can't stay healthy. The only other guy I could see getting waived is Balmaro.

It will be interesting how it all shakes out.

I think Butler is safe

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Listened to Locke today and he talked a little about this. Based on his comments I think NAW, JB might be fairly safe. Bubble guys... Bolmaro but he mentioned he likely makes it too... Johnson, Doke... couldn't remember if he mentioned Gay much.

I honestly think you could trade Johnson and maybe get a light asset... like a bad second rounder... but I don't think you'd have to eat that salary. He would likely be claimed off waivers... so again you aren't eating the salary.

The cut should be Gay, Doke... I think it is likely Johnson/Dok.

You can really tell how much Locke dislikes Gay when he talks about him. He mentioned Gay once today just to say he didn't run his projections for him, but they would be bad (like negative points gained) because he was bad last year.