Who replaces Korver as the 3 point specialist?

[Hopper]

Sorry, have to disagree... Sloan's attitude toward the 3 has never 'varied' with anything. He's never been a fan of it, and every statement he has made regarding the 3 ball supports this fact.

To talk about "every statement" Sloan ever made would require, at a minimum, that you are aware of every statement he ever made. To me, it sounds like you don't really listen to a word says about it, though. Here's just one statement, made in passing, way back in 2004 when Bell was on the team:

"Raja Bell scored six consecutive points in the final 36 seconds to help the Utah Jazz rally from a 22-point deficit for a 107-105 victory over theCharlotte Bobcats. Bell, who scored 21 points, nailed a 3-pointer with 18 seconds remaining to cut Charlotte's lead to 105-104.

"He came back and took the (3-point) shot," Jazz coach Jerry Sloan said. "That's what you like to see happen. He wasn't afraid to take the shot..."

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores104/104321/20041116NBA--CHARLOTTE-0nr.htm

 

[gregbroncs]

Another thing Bell talked about, IINM, is Sloan reallly doesn't like the corner 3's - which is 90% of Korver's game. Miss one of those and there's a long rebound probably going the other way, with the shooter out of postion to get back on defense. Take a 3 from the top of the arc and you're already positioned to get back on defense.

On the other hand if you miss a 3 pt shot from the top it is more likely to be a long bounce down court and the guy who was defending the shooter is farther down court for the run out. A 3 pt shot is likely to have a long bounce no matter what. But the guy shooting is not exactly in a position to run back on defense. He must land and turn while the defender will have a huge head start, if he goes right away. If they shoot from the corner another player should be at the top of the key to get back and his defender will be watching the basket like he is, meaning no head start for the defense. I have to question the theory of a corner 3 being worse than the top of the key because to me it seems that it is the exact opposite.

 

[royzzz]

Korver averaged just over 2 three-point attempts per game. My grandmama could replace him.
Seriously, at just over 1 made three, it really doesn't matter. Hayward can come off a curl and hit a 2. Is that 1 point gonna win or lose the game? I'd rather have Raja's defense and his 40% accuracy. Yes, Korver had a "career" year. But his 3-pt percentage over his entire career is about what Raja shoots.

Another thing Bell talked about, IINM, is Sloan reallly doesn't like the corner 3's - which is 90% of Korver's game. Miss one of those and there's a long rebound probably going the other way, with the shooter out of postion to get back on defense. Take a 3 from the top of the arc and you're already positioned to get back on defense.

Corner 3s .. that's also Hayward's specialty so .. nothing much difference there. Actually, it is not the corner 3s that Sloan dislikes. It is when the shot is taken. As per his philosophy, the team should know when one is going to take them so that the others will know what to do - prepare for a long rebound, some prepare to play defense on the other end, etc.

 

[honz]

I am more concerned about the plays where they have the shooters coming around the screen to the top of the key. That used to be Harprings shot then it was Korvers and now it will be Haywards.

CJ can come off the curl as well. He hasn't done it all that much in the past, but I'm guessing we will see a bit more of it this year.

 

[carolinajazz]

Korver averaged just over 2 three-point attempts per game. My grandmama could replace him.
Seriously, at just over 1 made three, it really doesn't matter. Hayward can come off a curl and hit a 2. Sloan reallly doesn't like the corner 3's - which is 90% of Korver's game. Miss one of those and there's a long rebound probably going the other way, with the shooter out of postion to get back on defense. Take a 3 from the top of the arc and you're already positioned to get back on defense.

...excellent points! Frankly, we need to cut back on 3 point launches anyway. Keep pounding the ball inside with Jefferson. We'll still take some 3's...always will with Deron on the team.....but we can cut back without any noticable reduction in offensive efficency!

 

[carolinajazz]

I have to question the theory of a corner 3 being worse than the top of the key because to me it seems that it is the exact opposite.

....it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the corner 3 is worse than the top of the key 3.....at least when it comes to defensive position and offensive rebounding! THe corner shooter is now OUT of the play, both for rebounding and getting back on defense. Besides that, the top of the key 3 is a higher percentage shot, even though both are not good! Even anti-hoppers like me and Hopper recognize that fact!!!

 

[Hopper]

Besides that, the top of the key 3 is a higher percentage shot, even though both are not good! Even anti-hoppers like me and Hopper recognize that fact!!!

Gotta disagree with this part, homey.

1. To begin with, it all depends on who's shootin. Korver's 54% (on threes) is better than guys like Gasol, Garnett, Bosh, Duncan, and Bogut shot "up close," ya know?

2. Percentagewise, the corner 3 may well be the best shot. It is the closest. It's only 22 feet from the corner, as opposed to 23' 9" from the top of the key.

3. Raw percentage, alone, can be misleading when it comes to the desirability, efficiency, and "effectiveness" of a 3 point shot. 40% shootin on 3's gets you just as many points as 60% on 2-point shots, with fewer possessions used, too.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Gotta disagree with this part, homey.

1. To begin with, it all depends on who's shootin. Korver's 54% (on threes) is better than guys like Gasol, Garnett, Bosh, Duncan, and Bogut shot "up close," ya know?

2. Percentagewise, the corner 3 may well be the best shot. It is the closest. It's only 22 feet from the corner, as opposed to 23' 9" from the top of the key.

3. Raw percentage, alone, can be misleading when it comes to the desirability, efficiency, and "effectiveness" of a 3 point shot. 40% shootin on 3's gets you just as many points as 60% on 2-point shots, with fewer possessions used, too.

Well, only one team was able to shoot over 40% collectively (Phoenix). League average for 3-pt % was right around 35%. At that percentage, you'd need to make over 50% of your 2-pt shots to finish with an equal number of points. And no team in the NBA did that. So given those facts, why not just chuck up a bunch of 3's? It seems like you would score more points.

Well, here are the top teams by volume of 3's:
Orlando
New York
Indiana
Houston
Milwaukee
Phoenix
Golden State
Cleveland
New Orleans
LA Lakers

A pretty mixed bag. You have four of the top NBA teams in Orlando, Phoenix, Cleveland and the Lakers (btw, the Lakers were the worst of the bunch at 34%). But you also have some of the worst teams.

I still stick by my argument re: the corner 3. Take a shot from the top of the key and by the time the ball gets to the rim and the rebound comes back out, the shooter's feet are back on the floor. From the corner, the shooter is back on his feet, but he has further to run to get back on defense.

 

[Hopper]

I still stick by my argument re: the corner 3. Take a shot from the top of the key and by the time the ball gets to the rim and the rebound comes back out, the shooter's feet are back on the floor. From the corner, the shooter is back on his feet, but he has further to run to get back on defense.

Nuthin I said was really directed against your argument, Glass. I was simply addressin CJ's statement about "percentages," not the other factors to be considered. I'm certainly not suggestin a team just "jack-up a buncha 3-point shots," neither.

That said, 35% on 3's = 52.5% on 2-pt shots. What team averaged that, or better, on 2-pointers?

Edit: I now see that you may have already answered that when you say "At that percentage, you'd need to make over 50% of your 2-pt shots to finish with an equal number of points. And no team in the NBA did that." But I'm not sure if the percentages you're lookin at are strictly for 2-pt shots, or just overall percentages.

 

[Dr. Jones]

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[carolinajazz]

...hey! why is my signature with the hopper getting the basketball bounced off his head not functioning? It is the most unique and special video/signature on any basketball board in the entire internet world both in this country and parts of Alabama! What happened to it? Why is it not working???

 

[Hopper]

...hey! why is my signature with the hopper getting the basketball bounced off his head not functioning? It is the most unique and special video/signature on any basketball board in the entire internet world both in this country and parts of Alabama! What happened to it? Why is it not working???

Heh, parts of Alabama. Good one, CJ!? About yo sig: Ya kin look here: https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php/1461-Signature-problem

Mebbe you'll understand what they sayin, I don't.