Oh wait, 10-15 Jazz fans on a forum have an opinion that's different that mine....
Well the stats bear that assertion out. What can you point to that refutes it? On-off, the LEBRON start, any stat you care to use shows Rudy is multiple times the defender Mitchell is. It's been shown here many times. The eye test was the best proof during the playoffs with Mitchell literally stepping out of the way of drivers with zero resistance multiple times per game. I'm not sure what you have to argue that Mitchell tries just as hard as Gobert on defense, which is the argument he is making.
I mean the percentage of JazzFanz that feel you white knight for Donovan being like 98% should tell you something… even though the number may be small.
You guys are so insecure about this Rudy Don dynamic. If I make a comment about Rudy, it can happen without anything being implied about Don.
My points on Rudy are about Rudy. Quit blurring the lines between Rudy points and Don points.
i agree with you. But we could also say that zero team compete for title with their player nunber one putting zero effort in defense.
Quit acting like it isn’t completely relevant and try to argue actual facts and ****… you said championship teams aren’t built on a player like player X and I merely pointed out they aren’t built on Player Y either because this thread is literally about which guy we should trade. I think we should trade both… if I’m picking one I picked Rudy… difference is I used actual good reasons. If those reasons applied to the other player I would say trade them both. Like if I had said championship contenders aren’t built around small guards and someone says they aren’t built around defensive centers with limited offense.
And even at that Curry is a better defender than Mitchell. That is the difference between a true MVP candidate and a top volume scorer, the MVP is capable of elevating their game in multiple facets when the game (or series) is on the line. Until Mitchell at least becomes passable on defense he will always just be a volume scorer.
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And even at that Curry is a better defender than Mitchell. That is the difference between a true MVP candidate and a top volume scorer, the MVP is capable of elevating their game in multiple facets when the game (or series) is on the line. Until Mitchell at least becomes passable on defense he will always just be a volume scorer.
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Steph Curry always will be known for his offense, and rightfully so. But he’s also in the midst of the best defensive season of his career. So, what went into making Curry one of the Warriors’ best two-way players?
So let's put the "but Curry is a crap defender too" argument to bed. There just isn't a comparison between the 2. Curry is a far better defender than Mitchell. And in my opinion it has to do with desire, and drive, not physical gifts or some innate defensive instinct.
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Does Mitchell care that much about being a true 2-way player? From the excuses we hear, my feeling is not much. From the reaction we see and the behaviors on the court, my feeling is not at all. He talks a good game in press conferences, but even then he is vague and deflective. All he says is "I need to be better". He never acknowledges that he needs to play better defense specifically. If it does come up, it is in a team context. The underlying meaning is clear, defense isn't Mitchell's job. His job is to hit those crazy tough contested shots he practices all summer.
Donovan Mitchell Addresses Utah Jazz Struggling To Defend The Perimeter In The Playoffs: "It's Something We Can Fix... I Hope."
The Utah Jazz fell to an incredibly tough loss to the Luka Doncic-less Dallas Mavericks in Game 2 of the first round. Both games of the series have been
Nothing about personal accountability there. I would expect my superstar to say something like "this is on me, as the leader of this team, I need to step up my defensive effort, the change starts with me". But that isn't what we get at all. We just get that the team needs to rotate better, which to me says "I need the team to cover for me" more than "I am responsible to improve my own defensive intensity", and the fact that this is exactly what his behavior on the court says, how can we assume anything different?
To be fair I think more of this is on Snyder than individual players, his system is obviously meant to be "get out of your guy's way and make sure he is moving toward the center so Rudy can pick him up" because that is what so many of our guys do. In fact House actually making an effort to stay in front of his man is an anomaly in our group. Everyone else plays "funnel them to Rudy" defense. That is on Snyder, IMO.
Yeah, you are the one being sensitive. All I said was the original argument YOU responded to was that Mitchell doesn't try as hard on defense. You defended Mitchell and side-stepped the argument, instead trying to bring up these big sweeping statements. I simply pointed out that the stats prove out the assertion that Mitchell doesn't make the same effort and asked you to provide stats that support your support of Mitchell. You went straight to the "all you people kiss Rudy's ***" argument instead of answering the specific question. You have lost all objectivity on the subject in your need to be the primary Mitchell apologist.
Rudy should be the MVP every year. I mean, he's the only guy who tries and plays defense, and our team always has a winning record.
You think you’d be alone there???? I’m sure like 90% of us do that.
I'm not talking about at this point in time. I'm talking about what they can do. Like I said, Steph Curry was terrible at the stage Donovan is at now. And Steph Curry isn't good now. He's passable due to an amazing set of teammates.
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Because the voting process is too difficult for you to figure out?
