Why are gun owners afraid to admit they own guns?

[Ron Mexico]

What?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile...cide-attempt-the-risk-of-another-try.amp.html

They are at a higher risk like your link provides but the studies within this link also show that most do not attempt another one. The majority (95%) according to the link you provided do not die by suicide after attempting and failing. Yes they are at higher risk but again my statement is correct.

This link does include people who died including in their first attempt at 58% but that is a different argument not people who have failed.

This study also showed this:

The study also showed that the odds of successfully committing suicide are 140 times greater when a gun is used than for any other method.

Which helps prove my point that if guns were not involved the chance of committing successful suicide are much much lower.

Here is another quote from the article you quoted. Did you actually read beyond the headline?

“Most people who attempt suicide change their mind,” they wrote, adding that “most often, firearms do not allow for a change of mind or medical attention to arrive in time.

 

[LogGrad98]

If making guns means suicide rates are lower then why aren't suicide rates lower in those countries with strong gun controls? You can spin all the stats you want but that one doesn't prove out.

 

[fishonjazz]

If making guns means suicide rates are lower then why aren't suicide rates lower in those countries with strong gun controls? You can spin all the stats you want but that one doesn't prove out.

Maybe cause there are more suicidal folks in places that suck way more than the usa.

 

[Ron Mexico]

If making guns means suicide rates are lower then why aren't suicide rates lower in those countries with strong gun controls? You can spin all the stats you want but that one doesn't prove out.

Overall they are.

You are picking and choosing specific countries to prove your point(twisting the stats to show what you want). There are many factors to suicide rates. But if you take all the countries and compare countries with strong gun control laws they have lower rates of suicide than countries that do not.

So you proved yourself wrong posting the stats of countries since it shows strict gun control overall lowers suicide rates. Also countries and cultures are very different. Why not compare within the US? States with higher gun ownership have higher suicide rates. You can also look within the same city and see that suicide rates are much higher in houses with guns than ones without.

We can also look at who is committing suicide. South Korea is a very high country with suicide but the reason they are high is because the have an extremely high number of elderly people in poverty who dont want to be a burden on their children and commit suicide. This is very different from the people committing suicide in other countries. Suicide is also culturally more acceptable in some places and in other places it is very shameful or taboo.

There are also factors in reporting and the data of various countries since most the countries that chart you posted is based on what their government is reporting. Do you trust that 9 of the 10 lowest countries are middle eastern counties that are self reporting they are the lowest rates? Do theses countries count martyrdom suicide as suicide?

 

[green]

People started committing suicide when the entitlement mentality sank in. There is a direct correlation to this.

Before socialism sank in Americans did not commit much suicide. Why? Cause they understood that life is ruff an you have to persevere. Now we think life should be easy an if it is not than poor pity me.

Before socialism sank in? What does that mean? So, suicides spiked in the 1960's and 1970's and have been declining ever since?

We are now the most capitalistic we have ever been. Tax rates are near all time lows.

To say the United States is socialistic...is just wrong.

We are the only first world country with no national healthcare system. We have some of the lowest taxes we've ever had. We have more monopolies than we have ever had.

We are a capitalists wet dream, and the fact that the right has duped so many into thinking we are socialists...

No wonder their wealth is growing while everyone else's in shrinking.

 

[green]

He don't care about data. I already seen him say you can not compare Japan to USA.

Liberals will use the opposite argument when it suits there healthcare an retirement concerns than flip flop an tell you you can not compare.

So what is it liberals can we compare or can't we?

Again, you keep talking about banning guns. I'm not talking about that. Why are you?

I'm talking about licensing gun owners with requirements to keep your license. BIG difference.

 

[green]

Maybe cause there are more suicidal folks in places that suck way more than the usa.

USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!

 

[green]

How the hell do you post gifs on this site?

 

[Gameface]

How the hell do you post gifs on this site?

As an image.

Pretty complicated.

 

[green]

Every time I try to do so, it says the file is too large.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I own guns and don't support banning them but that statement is false. Guns lead to a much higher rate of suicide and are much more effective. Someone who has a failed suicide attempt will likely never try again. People who lock their guns up are less likely to commit suicide. Most suicides are a rash decision that passes after 15 minutes. If guns were banned suicides would decrease and likely drastically.

ooh really, i have heard people walk with suicide for months sometimes even years before finally committing it.
in Netherlands most people take medicine or worse jump in front of a fringing train, then hundreds of passenger stuck in a train for 2-4 hours!
rather much they take a gun and do it at home!
but then again the science on suicide is not settled yet! so we should run simulations and models to settle it!

 

[DutchJazzer]

Published rates don't prove this out. Several countries with strong gun controls are ahead of the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

And the last about about failed attempts shows you just know absolutely nothing about the subject. The majority of successful suicides had at least one and often multiple attempts before succeeding.

exactly culture has more to do with suicides, where i am currently most people drink toxic Paraquat which is readily available for farming!
yet if we ban it they will find another way because certain race/culture(for example here Indian people especially the females) is over represented in suicide statistics. so by taking away the means of suicide they will move on to the next.

but people like to blame the guns for the suicide. but never the rope, chemicals, plastic bag, or train