Why did Hayward suck so bad in the playoffs?

[theNBAnerd]

AK '07 vs. SAS: 8.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.50 spg, 1.5 bpg, 29% FGs, 33% 3FG, 81% FTs, 1.00 PPS
GH '12 vs. SAS: 7.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, 0.75 spg, 0.0 bpg, 18% FGs, 8% 3FG, 100% FTs, .879 PPS

neither guy played great, but AK was clearly better. i get your point, though: gordon has nowhere to go but up.

 

[MVP]

The funny thing is, he still played better against the Spurs in his first year in the playoffs being paid a rookie's salary than AK did in his prime while being paid the max.

Heck, at least Hayward didn't have to leave the team to get a new visa so he could vacation.

The funny thing is, he still played better against the Spurs in his first year in the playoffs being paid a rookie's salary than AK did in his prime while being paid the max.

Heck, at least Hayward didn't have to leave the team to get a new visa so he could vacation.

lol, you continue to sniff glue or smoke some really good stuff...

AK played all 5 games vs Spurs, the fact that he went to get visa and missed one practice is irrelevant. His appointment with consul was scheduled 2 month in advance, way before playoff schedule was announced, how is that planning vacation during playoffs???
And he had 9.8pt, 4.8reb, 2ast, 1stl, 2blk averages playing less minutes and shooting way better then Hayward. How come that translates into Hayward playing better? I will answer - only in your delusional world.

 

[MVP]

AK '07 vs. SAS: 8.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.50 spg, 1.5 bpg, 29% FGs, 33% 3FG, 81% FTs, 1.00 PPS
GH '12 vs. SAS: 7.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, 0.75 spg, 0.0 bpg, 18% FGs, 8% 3FG, 100% FTs, .879 PPS

neither guy played great, but AK was clearly better. i get your point, though: gordon has nowhere to go but up.

I think you have AK stats from 4 games only.

 

[Stifle Tower]

lol, you continue to sniff glue or smoke some really good stuff...

AK played all 5 games vs Spurs, the fact that he went to get visa and missed one practice is irrelevant. His appointment with consul was scheduled 2 month in advance, way before playoff schedule was announced, how is that planning vacation during playoffs???
And he had 9.8pt, 4.8reb, 2ast, 1stl, 2blk averages playing less minutes and shooting way better then Hayward. How come that translates into Hayward playing better? I will answer - only in your delusional world.

Playoffs happen the same time every year. The appointment should have been scheduled for AFTER the finals.

 

[MVP]

Playoffs happen the same time every year. The appointment should have been scheduled for AFTER the finals.

Have you ever needed appointment for visa? Do you even know how ridiculous that process is in some embassies ( especially USA). You get time what is given to you, you have no choice most of the time, if you do not take that appointment or miss it next time is maybe after 2-3 month... You people are ridiculous, seriously

 

[Stifle Tower]

Have you ever needed appointment for visa? Do you even know how ridiculous that process is in some embassies ( especially USA). You get time what is given to you, you have no choice most of the time, if you do not take that appointment or miss it next time is maybe after 2-3 month... You people are ridiculous, seriously

Yes, I do know. And I also know there are a lot of international players in the NBA and I've NEVER heard of one of them taking a day off in the middle of the playoffs to get a visa.

 

[MVP]

Yes, I do know. And I also know there are a lot of international players in the NBA and I've NEVER heard of one of them taking a day off in the middle of the playoffs to get a visa.

Because that situation was blown out of proportion. How many embassies are in SLC? I guess none... So obviously flight was involved right? Nobody would have cared if he would be playing in LA, New York or other cities with embassies.
Anyway it was unique situation which is is absolutely irrelevant and unimportant and certainly does not indicate that "AK quit on his team" like The Thriller is trying to halucinate.

 

[theNBAnerd]

my track record on jazzfanz shows that i'm as big an AK defender as anybody, and even i can't make up a valid reason why he should have had to leave the team in the middle of the western conference finals. not that made any real difference to our fate that year, but i'm sure it hurt AK's credibility with the team.

 

[theNBAnerd]

I think you have AK stats from 4 games only.

actually, no, i was looking in the wrong place altogether. my bad. here is the correct comparison:

AK '07 vs. SAS: 9.2 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.2 apg, 0.80 spg, 1.6 bpg, 41% FGs, 33% 3FG, 79% FTs, 1.277 PPS
GH '12 vs. SAS: 7.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, 0.75 spg, 0.0 bpg, 18% FGs, 8% 3FG, 100% FTs, .879 PPS

that one looks a lot more favorably on AK.

 

[northeast]

I recall Sloan telling the whole team to take an entire day off from basketball during the playoffs on at least one occasion.
You know, recharge the batteries, that sort of thing.

Jazz fanz love to take one little thing and blow it WAY out of proportion.

 

[MVP]

actually, no, i was looking in the wrong place altogether. my bad. here is the correct comparison:

AK '07 vs. SAS: 9.2 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.2 apg, 0.80 spg, 1.6 bpg, 41% FGs, 33% 3FG, 79% FTs, 1.277 PPS
GH '12 vs. SAS: 7.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, 0.75 spg, 0.0 bpg, 18% FGs, 8% 3FG, 100% FTs, .879 PPS

that one looks a lot more favorably on AK.

Still is weird to me... He had 2,1,2,4 and 1 block in those game.. that makes 10 blocks in 5 games or 2blk/game average, total of 5 steals ( 1,2,0,1,1 ) which is 1stl/game... total of 10 asts ( 1,3,3,1,2 ) which is 2ast/game... total of 49 pts ( 10,15,2,9,13 ) which is 9.8pts/game and total of 24 reb ( 6,3,2,8,5 ) which is 4.8 reb/game.
Unless both our sources have messed up stats.

 

[theNBAnerd]

Still is weird to me... He had 2,1,2,4 and 1 block in those game.. that makes 10 blocks in 5 games or 2blk/game average, total of 5 steals ( 1,2,0,1,1 ) which is 1stl/game... total of 10 asts ( 1,3,3,1,2 ) which is 2ast/game... total of 49 pts ( 10,15,2,9,13 ) which is 9.8pts/game and total of 24 reb ( 6,3,2,8,5 ) which is 4.8 reb/game.
Unless both our sources have messed up stats.

his block totals were 0, 1, 2, 4, 1. his steals were 0, 2, 0, 1, 1. don't know where you're looking. https://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/434/year/2007/andrei-kirilenko

but either way, we're mincing over a playoff series that took place over 5 years ago. the point is that thriller's throw-some-crap-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks assertion about hayward's performance vs. the spurs was better than AK's.

 

[northeast]

POSTSEASON STATS MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
Averages 31.0 3.2-7.2 .447 0.2-0.5 .333 3.0-3.8 .785 5.2 2.6 2.4 0.9 3.1 2.1 9.6

Aks postseason averages: good shooting %, okay boards, great blocks per that one year.

 

[Stifle Tower]

in all honesty, i'm not worried about hayward's playoff choke job... it's exactly why i wanted the jazz to make the playoffs this year, even at the cost of a draft pick. guys are bound to struggle on some level with their first exposure to playoff-level basketball, and getting that experience and those jitters behind a young team just means we have less to worry about next april. don't get me wrong, hayward sucked even harder than i thought he would, but he is a 21-year-old kid with plenty of chances to get better.

put another way: would you rather have hayward shooting 18% in a 2012 series with the spurs where we realistically weren't going to win anyway, or in a 2013/14 series where we have a legitimate shot at advancing? guys in this league generally have to learn to succeed, it doesn't just happen.

Good point. Yes, it would have been nice to have drafted Harrison Barnes. But not having a pick forced KOC to use the assets we did have (namely, the Memo TPE) and we ended up with a PG and SF.

Getting pounded in a playoff series may have been exactly the experience needed to show the young players how much they still need to improve.

 

[northeast]

These claims that getting demolished in a playoffs makes one get better gives me a headache.

 

[The Thriller]

actually, no, i was looking in the wrong place altogether. my bad. here is the correct comparison:

AK '07 vs. SAS: 9.2 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.2 apg, 0.80 spg, 1.6 bpg, 41% FGs, 33% 3FG, 79% FTs, 1.277 PPS
GH '12 vs. SAS: 7.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, 0.75 spg, 0.0 bpg, 18% FGs, 8% 3FG, 100% FTs, .879 PPS

that one looks a lot more favorably on AK.

Lets consider ages and salary please.

It's so funny to watch the pro-AK crowd constantly "forget" how much the dude was earning. I'll take Hayward's crappy stats and rookie salary over AK47's crappy stats, gigantic ego, and max deal any day of the week.

 

[northeast]

ak stats r not crappy

 

[MVP]

Lets consider ages and salary please.

It's so funny to watch the pro-AK crowd constantly "forget" how much the dude was earning. I'll take Hayward's crappy stats and rookie salary over AK47's crappy stats, gigantic ego, and max deal any day of the week.

That was not the point. Then you should compare AK stats in playoffs during his sophomore year - which are still way better then Haywards to disappoint you.
11.6pts, 4.8reb, 1.4ast, 0.6stl, 2blk, .419fg% 875FT% in 29min.
And his salary was way less then Gordons at that time.
All in all AK at any point of his career is better in playoffs then Hayward was vs Spurs....I doubt you will find anybody at any point of career who played 30min in playoff series and had worse stat line then Hayward.

 

[billyshelby]

Rough series for the kid, but it was a learning process for everyone, and hopefully Ty.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

That was not the point. Then you should compare AK stats in playoffs during his sophomore year - which are still way better then Haywards to disappoint you.
11.6pts, 4.8reb, 1.4ast, 0.6stl, 2blk, .419fg% 875FT% in 29min.
And his salary was way less then Gordons at that time.
All in all AK at any point of his career is better in playoffs then Hayward was vs Spurs....I doubt you will find anybody at any point of career who played 30min in playoff series and had worse stat line then Hayward.

Yeah I'm sure there's no player in history that ever had a worse stat line, while playing 30 mins in a playoff series.
I'm quite sure this is the definite truth here.