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Why do we restrict the voting rights of felons?

Okay, margodydek must be an alias of carolinajazz.

Yes One Brow, you can say it now. After the last few posts, I don't see how there could be any doubt.
 
Stoked said:
No. You are just following what you want them to mean.
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When you come up with an alternative reasoning, let me know. The marks my third post that I'm willing to listen to such. So far, instead of offering some actual non-racist reasoning, you've just complained about my conclusion. Complaints and protestations are not convincing.
 
margodydek said:
I'm not going to prove anything. You think the chicken came first and I think the egg did - I don't think I'm going to change your mind to reflect my opinion.
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Of course not. I've spent too much time around actual people to think there is some sort of cultural impetus against marriage. Now, you could possibly convince me that your reason for think some such impetus exists in not rooted in your assumption of some fundamental difference between black and white people.

margodydek said:
Case in point - I have a friend who grew up in Brooklyn. He went to a public high school which was about 60% black and about 30% white (mostly Jewish of course). They all came from rather humble neighborhoods, but guess who had a higher drop out rate.
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I heard that some guy who came from a broken home became President. I guess coming from an intact home isn't important, right? Or, do you only accpet anecdotes as evidence when they support your position?

margodydek said:
Last I heard about 70% of African American children were born to unmarried women, but last I checked African Americans don't have a monopoly on growing up in poverty.
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So, what do you think changed in the 1960s?
 
Let me see if I can explain myself. Do I think that one day black people just up and decided it was against their best interest to get married? Absolutely not. Do I think that they are currently in their situation as a result of discrimination? Absolutely. So I do think racism has caused a good chunk of blacks' present problems, I still think only black action (behavior) is going to provide a solution.
 
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margodydek said:
But to address your last sentence, what about those poor Jewish communities?
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A lot of Jewish success has been accredited to their strong community bonds. They pay for each other to go to top schools and are well networked across many economic sectors. Nepotism helps. Many African American communities are detached from the labor force and have few guides to help them into a successful career. Racism and segregation in the 1960's and 1970's deepened their detachment from the workforce, especially in skilled occupations.

I'm also going out on a limb by suggesting that these Jewish communities you allude to don't have a severe male:female imbalance. There aren't enough viable men in many African American communities due to death and incarceration. This leaves the marriage viable men with plenty options and thus less urgency to tie down a marriage partner down.
 
The first page of this thread... I can relate to the desire to help those in need but I have a hard time understanding the hubris that comes with these views that unconditional assistance = good or unconditional tough love = good. Why can't we, as a nation, study the problem through instead of coming up with some fairy dust that a huge new voting block on one side or the other will magically fix our problems?

Go ahead and free this voting block or expand restricting it. Either way you are not helping the political party that your innitiative is meant to.
 
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