Well first of all this thread was created when tonight's game was in its infancy, so it wasn't directed specifically at tonight in anyway (other than the first 5 minutes).
If Marvin's contribution to the team is "not trying" then I'm sorry that is not enough. He does nothing. But at least in doing nothing he isn't doing a negative something? That just ain't gonna cut it man.
Carrol gives the most consistant effort out of any wing on this team, regardless of minutes. Yes, even the youth should take notes.
My personal fav player on the Jazz squad.
One reason... Marv is a Vet.
at least if carroll starts, he would bring fire and energy and might force the other guys to finally play defense. he hustles and has this winner mentality, he always plays with 110 percent when he is on the floor. the others from the starting unit don't seem to care. he would be that guy that forces other teammates to play better once he is on the floor. the starting unit lacks someone with carroll's game approach. he does the little things, gains extra possessions what others refuse to do. i am a big carroll fan.
Carrolle's stupid fouls are the reason Marvin got 36 minutes today.
I'm not trying to argue whether or not Marvin or Carrolle deserve to play, I'm just saying that that's why Marvin got 36 minutes.
Look, I've said what I've wanted to say about Marvin. He's not great at all, but he's much better than what we've had (CJ, Howard, Bell, etc.).
He's a classic example of if you don't try, you don't fail. He doesn't make stupid mistake and the same time, looks like he's not contributing.
Contrast is Carrolle who tries really hard, but he also fails. He misses rotations and gambles on defense to make the hustle play. He does amazing things but equally does stupid things and this is what an energy guy does.
And those knick knack fouls are stupid, he's not supposed to be trying to steal the ball when he's defending a triple-threat. All the offensive player has to do is swing his arms and bam!, that's a 2 shot foul. Unnecessary fouling is a stupid thing to do on defense and he can't be out there using all 6 of his fouls. He's going to get the other team shooting bonus free throws all game.
Would rep if I could. Just to add, these two players are the same age. The Chicken Little crowd might want to think about that before they lump Carrol in with the young 4.