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I'm curious as to what most people think about the recall effort in WI and its subsequent defeat. What are the ramifications on the future of public workers unions? The upcoming presidential election?

Personally I find it refreshing that a leader faced the problem head on, found a solution and implemented it with success. Some hard decisions were made but I think it shows that with relatively little pain a greater goal can be achieved.
 
Unions are outdated, top heavy, and while they served a much needed purpose, that purpose is no longer there. Basically, they are dying.

Good riddance.
 
The recall election was stupid, and the Dems in that state should be ashamed they brought it to one.

That being said I doubt it has much bearing on the Presidential race. Walker outspent the other guy $30 million to $4 million and Obama has led in every poll I've seen in Wisconsin.
 
Unions are a necessary and beneficial concept, and fail mostly because of internal corruption. The one I've known, an USW local, was just effectively co-opted by corporate management, and managed to collect dues without returning any benefit to the workers. Every time contract negotiations came up, some union honcho betrayed the members. . . .. and within a few years got a lush "management" job.

Too bad they're losing their "cause" for productive workers getting treated better.... . . . too bad American unions support crap like NAFTA and illegal immigrantion/slaveworker labor. . . . . and outsourcing. . . . .

That said, the public workers in WI were unjustly outraged. . . . . a lot of non-government union folks could clearly see that it's not in the public interest to have an elite class of government employees raking in benefits and bucks that just looked too cushy, and all the union effort to protect the government "workers" just made them look like spoiled brats nobody wants to subsidize. Or, perhaps, seemed to be setting a precedent for a new kind of class conflict, with government overlords getting paid a fat premium on serving the "Master"/government.

The WI polls I've heard about in recent days show Obama in danger of losing a state that last went Republican in 1984. American wages/benefits have suffered in the private sector, the public sector has to help keep taxes down for the rest of us.

The Democratic Party has been co-opted by the blueblood royalist UN elite.
 
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Some of the polling I read said many voters objectd to a recall based on political positions, as opposed to malfeasance of some sort.

I'm not sure what it means. I don't understand all the union hate in here. Unions are equalizers in the job market.
 
babe said:
The WI polls I've heard about in recent days show Obama in danger of losing a state that last went Republican in 1984. American wages/benefits have suffered in the private sector, the public sector has to help keep taxes down for the rest of us.
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According to CNN Exit Polls yesterday, Obama is up double digits in Wisconsin. Which of course did nothing for Tom Barrett being Obama didn't feel inclined to get up off his *** and go to Wisconsin to campaign for Barrett or even really endorse his candidacy.
 
babe said:
Unions are a necessary and beneficial concept, and fail mostly because of internal corruption. The one I've known, an USW local, was just effectively co-opted by corporate management, and managed to collect dues without returning any benefit to the workers. Every time contract negotiations came up, some union honcho betrayed the members. . . .. and within a few years got a lush "management" job.

Too bad they're losing their "cause" for productive workers getting treated better.... . . . too bad American unions support crap like NAFTA and illegal immigrantion/slaveworker labor. . . . . and outsourcing. . . . .

That said, the public workers in WI were justly outraged. . . . . a lot of union folks could clearly see that it's not in the public interest to have an elite class of government employees raking in benefits and bucks that just looked too cushy, and all the union effort to protect these "workers" just made them look like spoiled brats nobody wants to subsidize.

The WI polls I've heard about in recent days show Obama in danger of losing a state that last went Republican in 1984. American wages/benefits have suffered in the private sector, the public sector has to help keep taxes down for the rest of us.

The Democratic Party has been co-opted by the blueblood royalist UN elite.
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like Candrew, I'm not sure of your polling numbers. But, the rest of this post is excellent.
 
candrew said:
According to CNN Exit Polls yesterday, Obama is up double digits in Wisconsin. Which of course did nothing for Tom Barrett being Obama didn't feel inclined to get up off his *** and go to Wisconsin to campaign for Barrett or even really endorse his candidacy.
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The recent polls show it as a much tighter race in WI for the presidency. I wonder where the difference comes from. Interesting.

Edit: Having said that I think Obama will win WI and that it will always be just out of reach for Romney. Romney spending alot of time and money in WI could be a costly mistake.
 
What has happened in WI has shown the fallacy in unions. Unions go on and on about how they protect the worker, "equalizers in job market", blah, blah, blah. Unions are nothing more than modern versions of the mob. Look what has happened in WI once Walker allowed unions to be voluntary:

"Best of all, the myth that union bosses represent their members’ interests has been exposed as a lie. Now that union dues are voluntary, tens of thousands of union members have stopped paying them. Membership in the Wisconsin chapter of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union (AFSCME) has dropped by half. Membership in the state’s American Federation of Teachers (AFT) is down by over a third. Given unions’ influential role in most elections, the national implications of this trend are staggering."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billfr...victory-spells-doom-for-public-sector-unions/

Unions are nothing more than political bullies. WI down, NJ next.

If Christie can end "forced" union memberships in NJ, unions will die immediately...not because of the mean, big, bad republicans, but because unions aren't what original unions were meant to be, and their members know it.
 
Stoked said:
The recent polls show it as a much tighter race in WI for the presidency. I wonder where the difference comes from. Interesting.

Edit: Having said that I think Obama will win WI and that it will always be just out of reach for Romney. Romney spending alot of time and money in WI could be a costly mistake.
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Last night showed that Romney might not have to spend much time in WI at all. The republicans there are extremely well run and organized.
 
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