Wiggins vs Love

[BTP]

Another thing came to my mind. Kyrie Irving was voted as a starter on the 2013 all star game.

If the Cavs think there's no other competitor for Love's service and the Wolves are happy to pick up the convo again when the all star ballot closes if they don't score a miracle internal improvement that they think might cause Love to stay, then lowballing offer might have the side effect that Irving misses out on the Derrick Rose provision.

I don't think LeBron fans would vote Kyrie if the team starts real slow, collect a lot of losses and Kyrie doesn't look awesome.

There's Rose(if healthy), Wall, Rondo, Wade(am I really saying that?), Lowry(Canada will vote for him), Deron(If quadruple ankle surgery does wonder) and last but not least LANCE who'll have his eyes on a starting spot. I almost forgot Bradley Beal. A lot of competitors...

 

[Fabtrey]

Anyone who thinks the Cavs should not trade Wiggins for Love is either out of their mind, or they don't really know how good Kevin Love is. He averaged 26 and 12.5 last year. That's more points than James Harden and more rebounds than Dwight Howard. He is arguably a top 5 player in the league. After Lebron and Durant, he's in the conversation. The only arguments I hear about him not being a top 5 player are that he's a poor defender and that his teams don't win.

The Wolves are my #2 team, and I watched 60+ of their games last year. Love is not a bad defender, he's just not a rim protector. He plays solid positional defense. The fact that his team has never made the playoffs is more to do with bad roster construction, mostly bad coaching, and poor management. In addition, playing in one of the toughest and deepest conferences in NBA history doesn't help. They would have been between the 3-5 seed in the East.

Even if Wiggins ends up being as good as Love (which I doubt), his prime won't overlap very will with LeBron's. Kevin Love is currently 25 years old. He's just starting his prime years. He's also a perfect complement to a guy like Lebron. He's a unique player that will both space the floor and bang in the middle for rebounds. They will immediately become the favorites in the East with a punchers chance to beat whatever team comes out of the West.

There is virtually no argument here, which is why Cleveland came off their position so quickly and are now offering Wiggins + more for Love.

with bron, Love & Kyrie will be 19/10 guy at best.

 

[ema]

Wow, I'm surprised to see how underrated Kevin Love is. Unbelievable!

JK, not surprised one bit. I know where I am. Love JazzFanz. I mean, love JazzFanz, not Love.

 

[bjunior]

keep wiggins, they can win just fine with this roster

wait one year and take love for free

 

[fishonjazz]

keep wiggins, they can win just fine with this roster

wait one year and take love for free

Good point.
I was listening to the radio this morning and they were saying that kevin love wants to go to cleveland and when he is an unrestricted free agent next year he will go to cleveland anyways.

So cleveland can keep all thier guys anyway and still get love.

Plus cleveland probably need lebron to develop some chemistry with his cleveland coaches and teammates this season (and would need to do this even if they got love now) before they have a chance to win the title.

Might as well wait till next year..... or trade for him at the trade deadline when minny is more desperate and dropping the price

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

keep wiggins, they can win just fine with this roster

wait one year and take love for free

1- They can't risk losing Love to LA.

2- I'm not a salary cap expert, but with Kyrie's new contract kicking in, LBJ on the books, and an assortment of young players earning 5-7 million, I don't think they could fit him in under the cap.

According to Hoops Hype:

Lebron - 21.5
Bennett- 5.8 (TO)
Thompson- 7.1
Wiggins- 4.8
Dion Waiters- 5.1 (TO)
Joe Harris - 1
Irving- 18

That's 63.3 Million listed on Hoops Hype. Even with the cap rising again next year, and releasing Waiters and Bennett (which they won't do) there is NO way they could offer Love the max deal he wants. I've heard this idea floated around but I don't see how it could happen.

 

[fishonjazz]

1- They can't risk losing Love to LA.

2- I'm not a salary cap expert, but with Kyrie's new contract kicking in, LBJ on the books, and an assortment of young players earning 5-7 million, I don't think they could fit him in under the cap.

According to Hoops Hype:

Lebron - 21.5
Bennett- 5.8 (TO)
Thompson- 7.1
Wiggins- 4.8
Dion Waiters- 5.1 (TO)
Joe Harris - 1
Irving- 18

That's 63.3 Million listed on Hoops Hype. Even with the cap rising again next year, and releasing Waiters and Bennett (which they won't do) there is NO way they could offer Love the max deal he wants. I've heard this idea floated around but I don't see how it could happen.

Maybe love wants to win more than he wants to get paid?

Going to the lakers isnt much of an ugrade in winning from minnesota.

Maybe he takes a pay cut to play with the best player in the game and get carried to a title

 

[BTP]

Cleveland won't be able to add Love next year without crippling everything else.

If 18 is really the starting salary for a Derrick Rose provision 5 year extension assuming the cap is around 66.5 then you'd have to slot 9 min salary slots around .5 each.

That adds up to $44M which leaves $22.5M in cap space to sign Love. His max starting salary would be the same as Irving in that case, leaving $4.5M in remaining cap room or additional to the min salary for an existing contract. They just don't have a single player who'd slotted at $5M for 15/16.

If you add that up to all their existing contracts they'd still have to send away everyone to sign Love via capspace.

S&T is only possible with Minny until they renounce their bird rights to get him off their cap(They won't)

So simplified: It won't happen.
It might happen later this season, but if they don't do work there, they can only add players via MLE next year.

 

[yamers]

no brainer...

kevin love averaged 26pts per game for a reason...he's one of the best players in the game right now. He can stretch the floor and open the game up for lebron.

Kevin Love and Lebron James and kyrie would be an insane combo.

wiggins needs time....but lebron wants to win NOW.

and Love offers you the ability to win RIGHT NOW.

 

[freakazoid]

I wouldn't give it a second thought. When you have a team in a position like Cleveland is now, you should be in all-in mode. Championships are extremely hard to come by, and when you're in a good spot to win one, you have to go for it, future be damned. I think you pull the trigger with the confidence that you're taking your best shot at winning a ring.

 

[carolinajazz]

Maybe he takes a pay cut to play with the best player in the game and get carried to a title

....carried to a title? Without Love, Lebron does not win the title next year.....may not even get to the finals. With Love, they are even money to win the Eastern Conference and about the same to reach the finals. Love needs Lebron, but Lebron needs Love if he wants to even sniff a title next year! Basketball is and always will be a team sport......one guy can't cut the mustard! 5 guys, playing on the same page, with a decent measure of athletic ability will get you much farther than a couple of superstar guys who try to do it all themselves.

 

[carolinajazz]

How about this excellent observation! "The 2014 NBA champion Spurs had a game plan: exploit the Heat’s Big 3. The Spurs forced the one dimensional game plan of a Big 3 concept of one man basketball into exhaustion, while the versatile players of the Spurs could take turns on the offensive end to see who had the best situation to score along with ball movement and off the ball movement from every player.

While James was forced to carry the majority of the offensive load, the Spurs shared the basketball while forcing every opposing player (including James) to play defense with little to no rest while he was on the court. We saw offensive explosions from Patty Mills, Boris Diaw, and other role players while they were playing alongside the Spurs’ best players, something that cannot be said of a predictable system of the old Spurs Big 3 system that many teams are trying to copy this upcoming season.

Even a Big 4 system that the Miami Heat are trying to construct wouldn’t answer a balanced system like San Antonio. The problem with the Heat in the Finals wasn’t the best three players, but players 4-10 on the playoff rotation. There was no contributions like the Spurs’ rotational players from the Heat,, nor any opposing team that the team met in the playoffs.

Why is the NBA still in love with a Big 3 system over a balanced overall team? There’s no clear answer to that, especially with the NBA champions coming into next season with the same team that dominated the majoriy of the playoffs. There’s one thing for sure before the season starts, and that is the Spurs are the favorites to win another Larry O’Brien trophy, because the league is choosing not to adapt to the defending champions."