Will a Jazz player take a knee during the National Anthem this year?

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Again, the problem you have is that you come from the angle that everything you dislike comes from a place of evil and only you can recognize fairness and virtue.

Also, this is some insulting ********. I come from a Latino family that has been here longer than the United States has been a country. When my mom's family converted to Mormonism and moved to SLC in the 60s, they were subject to all kinds of systematic and very personal racism. They bought a house on the east bench from a guy who was selling his home himself, and immediately all of his neighbors started pressuring him to reverse the sale because my mom's family were brown. The realtors in the area had an unspoken policy of only showing Latinos homes on the west side of SLC. So my grandfather quickly got a loan from a bank and paid the guy off so he could keep the house.

Then when they started going to church, the families in the ward told their kids not to associate with my mom and her siblings. That's right, the crown jewel of LDS Christianity ostracized my family on the ward level for not being northern European, and these are the people who actually parade around the notions of "fairness" and "virtue" in this city.

So don't infer that you understand what I "dislike" because you think I have some sort of fantasy about what America is supposed to be. I know what this country is. I've lived in New York, LA, Seattle, and Salt Lake. I've been threatened by a NYC police officer and listened to him egg me on to take a shot at him. I have experienced and seen the racism that exists in this country first hand.

 

[♪alt13]

you watch in 30 years certain brain dead individuals like him will say. "hitler>trump"

Trying to think of a better characterization of Trump than "He's not as bad as Hitler". Can't. It's kinda perfect

 

[Elizah Huge]

I find it predictable. White people are scrambling trying to maintain their positions of power and supremacy in society.

They will lose this fight.

I have always been confused by the BLM movement, tbh. It is very contradicting to say the least.

93% of black homicide victims are killed by other black people.

52% of homicides from 1980-2008 here committed by black people and they compose of only 13% of the population.

Last year, 16 unarmed black men were killed by police out of 20 million. That's about the same odds of getting struck by lightning.

Why not fix yourselves first before you start blaming other races for your problems?

I would love to hear some thoughts on this.

 

[Jack Strop]

How about we have an "All Lives Matter" movement? Dialogue from the Asian, Latino and Black and all other communities. If there is police brutality and injustice, let's weed out the individual offenders, not encourage hatred and violence against the majority who have no such agenda.
BTW, can I say "Black" now? It used to be politically incorrect, but BLM has brought that word back.

Or how about just an "Anti-Caucasian" movement? That seems to be where this is all headed, tbh.

 

[fishonjazz]

Trying to think of a better characterization of Trump than "He's not as bad as Hitler". Can't. It's kinda perfect

Lol

 

[Boris]

Let's take a vote.

Take a boring knee or bang your hooker in the locker room for five extra minutes?

 

[jazzrule]

Sounds like you are trying to find bad examples and thinking that is all the movement is. From what you wrote "I believe in equal rights and respect for everyone." that is the message of black lives matter. So you are supporting the cause if you really believe that. The fact is black people are not being treated equal and are not getting the same respect. That is a well documented fact. That is what black lives is attempting to change. They want to be treated with the same rights and respect as white people are as a group.

I would like to see some stats showing police assassination have increased since black lives matter began. No police deserves to die, black lives matter does not support that. Edit: from 1990 to 2010 164 police were killed per year. Since black lives matter began around 2013 it has been 113, 114, 133, 129 and 140. So no there has not been a jump. In fact 2013 was the lowest since 1980 with 27 'feloniously' killed in the line of duty. According to wikipedia citing FBI report.

It is more than just "bad cops." Those exist and a problem for everyone. There are also good cops with racial biases that are a societal problem. Police, judges, juries and many more are as a group judging people based on the color of their skin and that is a problem that is widespread not just a couple bad apples.

Have some people in the name of the cause done some bad things? Yes. There are always going to be extremists and bad people taking things too far but that is not their message or goal. It is

Your example of someone doing something bad that is apart of a group could be applied to just about any group. That is not a reason to make call it bad. People acting outside of the message and on their own do not represent the group.

I have personally been to many black lives matter rallys and protests. I have not heard any of those types of chants. Do they happen? Yes, like I said some people are not good. Just like there are bad cops there are bad people in black lives matter as well. Does that mean black lives matter is bad? No. Does that mean cops are bad? No.

Black lives matter movement is not pushing for handouts for black people or for preferential treatment. Simply to be treated the same as everyone else, which they are not. Either people are ignorant to the fact that racism is alive and well or purposely ignoring it, which is worse.

Like the NFL and their players say we need a dialogue on race. And taking a knee as a show of solidarity with Black Lives Matter is what we are dialoguing about. Okay. Let us start by listing… (1) April 2017: Colin Kaepernick donated $25,000 to “Assata's Daughters,” a group named in honor of Assata Shakur, guilty of the 1973 murder of New Jersey State Trooper Werner Foerster. (2) BLM March NYC: “What do we want? Dead COPS! When do we want it? NOW!” A couple days later, a BLM inspired assassin executes 2 NYC cops eating lunch in their patrol car. (3) BLM March Dallas: March in Dallas draws out police. Another BLM inspired (visited their website) assassin executes 5 Dallas cops in the street. (4) April 2016: Yusra Khogali co-founder of the Toronto chapter of Black Lives Matter tweeted: "Plz Allah give me strength to not cuss/kill these men and white folks out here today. Plz Plz Plz." (5) BLM Cofounder Chantelle Helm: "Whites should give up their homes to black people." Her demands are still posted. Okay, I’ve listened. My turn to talk now. So, you want to kill the cops who would stop you from taking my house from me. I say NO! It’s been nice dialoguing with you.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Like the NFL and their players say we need a dialogue on race. And taking a knee as a show of solidarity with Black Lives Matter is what we are dialoguing about. Okay. Let us start by listening… (1) April 2017: Colin Kaepernick donated $25,000 to “Assata's Daughters,” a group named in honor of Assata Shakur, guilty of the 1973 murder of New Jersey State Trooper Werner Foerster. (2) BLM March NYC: “What do we want? Dead COPS! When do we want it? NOW!” A couple days later, a BLM inspired assassin executes 2 NYC cops eating lunch in their patrol car. (3) BLM March Dallas: March in Dallas draws out police. Another BLM inspired (visited their website) assassin executes 5 Dallas cops in the street. (4) April 2016: Yusra Khogali co-founder of the Toronto chapter of Black Lives Matter tweeted: "Plz Allah give me strength to not cuss/kill these men and white folks out here today. Plz Plz Plz." (5) BLM Cofounder Chantelle Helm: "Whites should give up their homes to black people." Her demands are still posted. Okay, I’ve listened. My turn to talk now. So, you want to kill the cops who would stop you from taking my house from me. I say NO! It’s been nice dialoguing with you.

Yes BLM movement is every bit the problem as a any White supremacist group, like them BLM promotes hate just like those other groups. They don't just go after bad cops or racist whites but all cops and whites. One only needs to read the list of 10 demands to whites from the founder or co-founder, whatever it is. If I'm going to denounce the KKK and other like groups, then I'd be wrong in denouncing BLM group. They haven't been bringing awareness to police brutality and injustice they've been fueling it. While it is true there are problems with the racial profiling and blacks not treated on the same level as others as Mexico stated. BLM isn't helping the cause. I'm sure there are good people within the movement. The founders are every bit as radical as the KKK. they have a worthy cause, but the way they go about it is evil


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[Ron Mexico]

Like the NFL and their players say we need a dialogue on race. And taking a knee as a show of solidarity with Black Lives Matter is what we are dialoguing about. Okay. Let us start by listening… (1) April 2017: Colin Kaepernick donated $25,000 to “Assata's Daughters,” a group named in honor of Assata Shakur, guilty of the 1973 murder of New Jersey State Trooper Werner Foerster. (2) BLM March NYC: “What do we want? Dead COPS! When do we want it? NOW!” A couple days later, a BLM inspired assassin executes 2 NYC cops eating lunch in their patrol car. (3) BLM March Dallas: March in Dallas draws out police. Another BLM inspired (visited their website) assassin executes 5 Dallas cops in the street. (4) April 2016: Yusra Khogali co-founder of the Toronto chapter of Black Lives Matter tweeted: "Plz Allah give me strength to not cuss/kill these men and white folks out here today. Plz Plz Plz." (5) BLM Cofounder Chantelle Helm: "Whites should give up their homes to black people." Her demands are still posted. Okay, I’ve listened. My turn to talk now. So, you want to kill the cops who would stop you from taking my house from me. I say NO! It’s been nice dialoguing with you.

Yep, already addressed this. I guess you still want to find examples of what you deem a problem. My response is still the same. If you want me to address those each individually I can, but seems pointless. I can also post examples of any major group of people and point to questionable things in their past or from members of that group, that still doesn't invalidate their cause or change their message.

Let's get to the root of this issue if you want.

Do you think racism is happening on any wide scale level in this country? Is racism a problem in our society?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Yes BLM movement is every bit the problem as a any White supremacist group, like them BLM promotes hate just like those other groups. They don't just go after bad cops or racist whites but all cops and whites. One only needs to read the list of 10 demands to whites from the founder or co-founder, whatever it is. If I'm going to denounce the KKK and other like groups, then I'd be wrong in denouncing BLM group. They haven't been bringing awareness to police brutality and injustice they've been fueling it. While it is true there are problems with the racial profiling and blacks not treated on the same level as others as Mexico stated. BLM isn't helping the cause. I'm sure there are good people within the movement. The founders are every bit as radical as the KKK. they have a worthy cause, but the way they go about it is evil


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Police brutality is down since BLM started though. Here in Utah the BLM has successfully peacefully protested, met with law enforcement and helped suggest positive change in the form of new policies and training that have been very effective. Incidences have gone down drastically since new training and policies have been adopted. Again people are looking for the bad. All blm wants is equal treatment that is not happening and they are peacefully protesting and working with police agencies all around the US. Yes, there are extremists within the group. Yes, some are very angry and express that anger and maybe take it too far for your comfort level.

It is in no way shape or form the same as the KKK. It is quite the opposite.

 

[jazzrule]

Yep, already addressed this. I guess you still want to find examples of what you deem a problem. My response is still the same. If you want me to address those each individually I can, but seems pointless. I can also post examples of any major group of people and point to questionable things in their past or from members of that group, that still doesn't invalidate their cause or change their message.

Let's get to the root of this issue if you want.

Do you think racism is happening on any wide scale level in this country? Is racism a problem in our society?

I want you to respond to each point I made, if you really want us to be the b.s. you are spouting. And yes, I believe BLM is the same crap the KKK is.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I want you to respond to each point I made, if you really want us to be the b.s. you are spouting. And yes, I believe BLM is the same crap the KKK is.

Look, I support the players in their peaceful protest, and don't think it in any way shows disrespect to country or flag or whatever, because it's in protest of injustice of principles the flag represents, and I understand that there is racism still today, but putting out a ridiculous list of ten demands for whites to give a family of color their homes, job and other things is a message of oppression and sounds like what a KKK group should do to blacks if they could. It promotes hate and segregation. If there is improvement, it's not because of the leadership of BLM, and no real change will happen as a result of that leadership in promoting hate.


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