Will Hayward be around in two years?

[fishonjazz]

Butler's defense dropped once he became a better offensive player and Hayward improved tremendously. I wouldn't rank him any higher.

We just disagree

 

[fishonjazz]

According to true followers of the game. Does your definition of NBA standards include fan voting?

Did the fans vote Hayward an all star and I just never heard about it?
Did the coaches?
I'm confused

 

[akirac73]

According to true followers of the game. Does your definition of NBA standards include fan voting?

Fans pick the starters, coaches pick everyone else. Coaches didn't think he was good enough to be on the team...

 

[K-Man #32]

Did the fans vote Hayward an all star and I just never heard about it?
Did the coaches?
I'm confused

True followers of the game think Hayward is an allstar including fans and commentators. However we all know that the all star games is a popularity selection.

To clarify I was simply stating that just because Hayward doesn't get as much exposure and isn't as popular doesn't disqualify him from being an all star. Votes don't determine true all stars just get them to the game.

 

[fishonjazz]

Whatevs

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think Hayward is all star level... we didn't win enough imo

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would do that. Butler is the better defender and scorer. Whats his contract like?

3 years after this one with player option for 4th (which he'll never pick up) Average about 18-19 M per year.

If their contracts were the same I'd prefer Hayward.