Will Rudy get the D-Will Treatment?

[Takenote801]

I’ll cheer for Rudy no matter what happens. Rudy was treated unfairly through the entire thing especially by Donovan. Donovan not saying anything is kind of inexcusable given his status on the franchise. Honestly idk what happens. Do you trade Rudy? Do you trade both? I don’t see where you trade either of them and it’s beneficial to the franchise or either of their careers tbh. You won’t recover from it fast enough. Rudy isn’t taking any discount at this point, not after all the garbage that took place. If we trade Rudy, Donovan will get his max extension, the Jazz won’t be as good and he’ll walk out the door at the end of it probably right as the Jazz get a decent team back together. It’s unfortunate. Jazz did a ton right, and the two petty “leaders” on the team threw it away. We’ll have to see how they come back this summer but if I’m Rudy there’s no way I’m thrilled to play with Donovan. Quin will be the buffer that makes it workable. But man that first time seeing each other is gonna be real awkward lol.

 

[SCS]

I'm not in the mood for another rebuild. I'm just not. I'm so tired of building a team that gets close and then starting over.

That's my only thought.

 

[NAOS]

I would just like to mention that what the Jazz got in the trade ultimately didn't amount to much. Favors in my mind remains more of a 'what if?' than a great player and he's really the only thing that panned out. At all.

I guess trading Deron gave us all this flexibility to... uhh... be an afterthought for 5-6 years.

If the Jazz don't know how to use assets and can't utilize the flexibility then it is pointless to trade established players for them.

But I also understand the point of this thread. My stance is that if one or both of him and Donovan can't patch their **** up then they are ****ing babies. This year (ha) and next are the Jazz's chance to do something.

All dat flexubility and Condley, doe

 

[David Stern]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but revenues for 20/21 are supposed to be significantly lower, and that will dramatically effect the cap for 21/22, when both of these deals would be signed. If that’s the case, Rudy’s Supermax and Donovan’s max could be great values if the cap spikes quickly after that when fans return to arenas

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Right... and the scenario is brewing imo… Will the Jazz just pay Rudy? He likely won't want to take a cut if DM is getting full max. The purse strings might be getting tight. If they can't agree I think they move him IF they got a decent return. If it was mediocre you just roll the dice and hopefully pivot with the cap room you might clear.

I just think there is some real smoke here.

Tony Jones says the Jazz want to pay Rudy. I think they'll offer him full max or something very close. They probably don't want to supermax him, so that's where there is a potential impasse. He's considered a bonafide All Star, DPOY and top-3 center in the league right now, so I think they can justify maxing him out. Even if the Jazz wanted to trade him, giving him an extension would only increase his trade value. If I were Rudy, I'd take a 2+1 or 3+1 max extension.

The question the Jazz need to ask themselves is whether Donovan and Rudy fit well together on the court. The answer may be that they're not perfect together, but they're still the best option that the Jazz have. If the Jazz can add one more high-impact player at the wing, then they're a 60-win team.

One other thing to consider is where the cap lands this year. If the cap drops too much, I could actually see the Jazz agree to give Rudy a deal a bit above the max in anticipation that the cap will then increase over the next couple years and make Rudy's deal fair both ways.

In any case, I think the Jazz want to extend Rudy for at least another 3 years. I don't think anyone can look at what the Jazz are paying Mike Conley and think that Rudy won't get at least the same.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I would just like to mention that what the Jazz got in the trade ultimately didn't amount to much. Favors in my mind remains more of a 'what if?' than a great player and he's really the only thing that panned out. At all.

I guess trading Deron gave us all this flexibility to... uhh... be an afterthought for 5-6 years.

If the Jazz don't know how to use assets and can't utilize the flexibility then it is pointless to trade established players for them.

But I also understand the point of this thread. My stance is that if one or both of him and Donovan can't patch their **** up then they are ****ing babies. This year (ha) and next are the Jazz's chance to do something.

This is what the Jazz got in that DWill trade, as I recall:
** Derrick Favors
** Devin Harris
** Nets' 2011 FRP unprotected, which unfortunately turned into Enes Kanter
** GSW FRP that conveyed in 2014 and turned into Rodney Hood

That's a decent haul with two top-5 picks and another FRP. The picks just didn't pan out. If the Jazz traded down and drafted Klay Thompson or Kawhi Leonard in 2011, the trade would have been a huge success.

 

[oneye]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but revenues for 20/21 are supposed to be significantly lower, and that will dramatically effect the cap for 21/22, when both of these deals would be signed. If that’s the case, Rudy’s Supermax and Donovan’s max could be great values if the cap spikes quickly after that when fans return to arenas

Both contracts % will be based off the 2022 cap even if they're signed this summer, not this upcoming years cap. So long as things are back to normal after this season or next it should impact them much at all. Donovan's salary will be 25% of whatever the cap is that year, and can go up to 30% of the cap if he makes All NBA the year his % is based off of. Rudy's super max would be 35% of the cap. Again, both based off the 2022 cap not this years cap.

The cap aspect will be interesting to see how the players union handles it. They are not going to want it to drop and then spike, they'd much rather have it smoothed out so free agents this season and next don't get screwed, but there will have to be some re-working of the CBA I believe. In Rudy's case it doesn't really matter what the cap is, if they offer the super max he's taking it, 35% of the any cap is a ton of money. As for Donovan, hopefully he just signs his 5 year extension and the cap is in okay enough shape that he doesn't sign a shorter deal and become an UFA sooner than any of us anticipated. It would suck.

 

[NUMBERICA]

This is what the Jazz got in that DWill trade, as I recall:
** Derrick Favors
** Devin Harris
** Nets' 2011 FRP unprotected, which unfortunately turned into Enes Kanter
** GSW FRP that conveyed in 2014 and turned into Rodney Hood

That's a decent haul with two top-5 picks and another FRP. The picks just didn't pan out. If the Jazz traded down and drafted Klay Thompson or Kawhi Leonard in 2011, the trade would have been a huge success.

Nothing you said contradicted my post, which stated that that trade ended up being a nothing-burger; none of those assets ended up amounting to much in the end.

 

[gomretat]

Nothing you said contradicted my post, which stated that that trade ended up being a nothing-burger; none of those assets ended up amounting to much in the end.

That combination of assets added at least as much value as we would have retained had DWill stayed in town. For my vote, it was more that we would have gotten out of DWill.

 

[LoPo]

That combination of assets added at least as much value as we would have retained had DWill stayed in town. For my vote, it was more that we would have gotten out of DWill.

I agree. The biggest mistake we ever made was not trading the picks for an established player. The trade ended up looking weak because we drafted poorly. Also, I thought we should have flipped Harris instead of keeping him. He had value yet flopped here. We should have tanked more then traded the picks either to move up or get a proven player.

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[Sean]

I'm not in the mood for another rebuild. I'm just not. I'm so tired of building a team that gets close and then starting over.

That's my only thought.

Agreed. Especially since we haven't really gotten anything out of this last rebuild. A couple first round series wins, coupled with getting absolutely destroyed in the second round (and the first round last year), isn't really something that I can look back fondly on to get me through the rebuild.

 

[NUMBERICA]

That combination of assets added at least as much value as we would have retained had DWill stayed in town. For my vote, it was more that we would have gotten out of DWill.

Simultaneously probably true. It just all really kinda sucked.

I like having a good team. Maybe I’m a simpleton.

This election, I vote to have the best team we can right now. Part of that is that I don't trust the Jazz (or most organizations) to somehow get better in the long or short term by trading away a monumentally impactful player.