Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

[Red]

Red, do yourself a favor and dont hang your hopes on Trump being charged when he leaves office. You've already suffered enough disappointment. Dont waste another 5 years of your life on this. It isnt worth it.

I'm quite realistic about things, actually. Not for one second have I pinned any hope whatsoever in Trump being charged, should he lose in 2020. We should always put what's best for the country first, and I'm pretty sure doing that would not really help. I realize many would like nothing more, but we are going to have enough actual healing to get through.

So, in the immediate aftermath of a possible Trump loss in 2020, with his base having been ensnared by the Deep State Fantasy Narrative, I believe finding ways to defuse the civil war-like climate in this country should take first priority, and I don't think putting Trump on trial could possibly serve that purpose. Not that he would not deserve it, but I can't make that the standard.

The country has to come first. Trumpism is not ending when he leaves office. I do believe he and his media lackeys, state media, such as Fox, have helped create a climate of hate that we are going to have to find some way to defuse. Or we may continue to define our national character as the dark id Trump represents. History never guarantees "good" endings. We will be dealing with our most pressing problems long after Trump has left the stage.

Somebody's grandchildren are going to be asking their grandparents, some day, why did you not see what Trump represented? But that soul searching will be well down the line, I believe.

 

[Hotdog]

I'm quite realistic about things, actually. Not for one second have I pinned any hope whatsoever in Trump being charged, should he lose in 2020. We should always put what's best for the country first, and I'm pretty sure doing that would not really help. I realize many would like nothing more, but we are going to have enough actual healing to get through.

So, in the immediate aftermath of a possible Trump loss in 2020, with his base having been ensnared by the Deep State Fantasy Narrative, I believe finding ways to defuse the civil war-like climate in this country should take first priority, and I don't think putting Trump on trial could possibly serve that purpose. Not that he would not deserve it, but I can't make that the standard.

The country has to come first. Trumpism is not ending when he leaves office. I do believe he and his media lackeys, state media, such as Fox, have helped create a climate of hate that we are going to have to find some way to defuse. Or we may continue to define our national character as the dark id Trump represents. History never guarantees "good" endings. We will be dealing with our most pressing problems long after Trump has left the stage.

Somebody's grandchildren are going to be asking their grandparents, some day, why did you not see what Trump represented? But that soul searching will be well down the line, I believe.

I agree with needing the healing part. But it wont come if the left doesnt admit some blame. The media on the left has been very culpable in all this. Its not going to come by way of manipulation, lying , and shoving ideas down people's throats. Like the Sandman news or like this most recent news about Trump saying Baltimore is infested with rats. Where he quite literally meant real rats. Yet the media yet again lied and turned into a race issue. They are purposely trying to create all this drama in order to achieve their goal. Rather than being the bigger person and trying to get there the right way. People see right through it, and its only making things worse.

 

[Hotdog]

1) Blame Trump, who first claim that the report exonerated him. The media would not need to point out this is a lie, if there were no lie to point out.
2) Mueller specifically said that if there were no reason to believe Trump obstructed justice, he would have said so.
3) Mueller also said that, based on the evidence in his report, Trump could be charged if he left the Presidency in 2021.

The media will stop talking about how Trump has not been exonerated when Trump and his supporters stop claiming he has been.

It does NOT work like that. It doesnt work both ways.

Trump can claim innocence all he wants. He can claim he was exonerated. Because he in fact was by virtue of no charges.. Thats his right. The prosecutor has zero right to say he isnt exonerated but yet he isnt being charged. They can't hang a cloud of doubt over him if they couldn't find a crime to charge him with. Its political nonsense.

Furthermore. When you are being setup an framed by your political opponent who is in cahoots with the very people trying to take you down, its not called obstruction of justice. Its called fighting for real justice. From a moral stand point, it was not Trump's obligation to cooperate with that BS. You would feel the same way if it happened to you.

 

[silesian]

Wow they would have to stay in his hotel everyday for a million years to match what was given to the Clintons for letting the Russian have so much of our uranium. Think much?

Focus

Focus

Focus.......

We know you guys are really really obsessed about HRC. The election has now been over for almost 3 years. You guys need to get over it and move on. Trump won. HRC lost. We are talking about Donnie boy,

Besides, essentially that "Trump is less corrupt than HRC" may not be your strongest argument. Like saying "well, he kills fewer people than Dahmer" or "steals less money than Jesse James"

I mean, this guy is your hero, why not compare him to Reagan? Or Eisenhower? Or Lincoln? You are saying he is not as bad as HRC. Really?

 

[Red]

No comments from the liberal and never Trump gang on here!

If you notice they do that with all the facts. They ignore them like they dont exist. Refuse to discuss rationally or discuss even at all.

Haha. You guys are funny. The video you posted involved a line of questioning that derived from Deep State conspiracist, and totally discredited "investigative journalist" John Solomon. Mr. Solomon claims it was his choice to go from having his byline at The Hill changed from "investigative journalist" to "opinion" columnist. However, for a full year, Hannity depended on Solomon's investigative "skills" to push the Unranium One nonsense, until it blew up in both their faces. I have also read that reputable reporters at The Hill begged management to stop listing Solomon as an investigative journalist.

https://contemptor.com/2018/05/14/t...go-to-russia-reporters-now-an-opinion-writer/

I believe the Democrats have only themselves to blame for advertising the Mueller hearings as "the movie", and for saying "the optics" would sway the day for Americans who had not read "the book". But, especially in the Intelligence Committee hearing, and under questioning by Schiff that ended that hearing, Mueller's findings were clear enough. But not for Trump's Deep State-Fantasy believers and defenders. And that's all Trump's Republican defenders have left. They can only push their Deep State-Fantasy. I just have no reason to pay any attention to the nonsense Trump supporters post to this forum.

Right now, Trump is stoking racial animosity, to divert from things he wants ignored, and because he believes it will help his reelection. From my view, this is purely evil. And it proves he hates our country. It is in your face proof that he loves only himself. A leader who willingly seeks to stoke racial animosity in a nation that has had more then it's fair share of disasters derived from that very animosity, is truly evil. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear have no problem recognizing this fact. I won't waste much time commenting on your nonsense.

 

[Red]

his most recent news about Trump saying Baltimore is infested with rats. Where he quite literally meant real rats. Yet the media yet again lied and turned into a race issue.

Well, I listened to answers by many blacks in Baltimore regarding whether they thought Trump was racist. They seemed to have no problem catching the president's drift without any help from the media, and instead just going by Trump's actual words. 60% of Lewis's district are blacks. When Trump says, about Baltimore, and about that district that "no human being would live there", that is another way of saying those who do live there might just be "subhuman". I mean, that's a hell of a thing to say. And he wants Americans to think that all cities with Democratic administrations are like that. Yet, the districts with poverty rates far higher then Lewis's district are in southern states administered by Republicans.

I don't care if you agree with this or not: Trump stoking racial animosities in a nation with an unfortunate history of racial animosities is evil. Period.

 

[Hotdog]

Focus

Focus

Focus.......

We know you guys are really really obsessed about HRC. The election has now been over for almost 3 years. You guys need to get over it and move on. Trump won. HRC lost. We are talking about Donnie boy,

Besides, essentially that "Trump is less corrupt than HRC" may not be your strongest argument. Like saying "well, he kills fewer people than Dahmer" or "steals less money than Jesse James"

I mean, this guy is your hero, why not compare him to Reagan? Or Eisenhower? Or Lincoln? You are saying he is not as bad as HRC. Really?

Cant compare him to anyone. He is the greatest president ever for any country. Even better than any king or ruler of any kind.

We know you secretly worship Hillary. Thats why we still talk about her.

 

[Hotdog]

Well, I listened to answers by many blacks in Baltimore regarding whether they thought Trump was racist. They seemed to have no problem catching the president's drift without any help from the media, and instead just going by Trump's actual words. 60% of Lewis's district are blacks. When Trump says, about Baltimore, and about that district that "no human being would live there", that is another way of saying those who do live there might just be "subhuman". I mean, that's a hell of a thing to say. And he wants Americans to think that all cities with Democratic administrations are like that. Yet, the districts with poverty rates far higher then Lewis's district are in southern states administered by Republicans.

I don't care if you agree with this or not: Trump stoking racial animosities in a nation with an unfortunate history of racial animosities is evil. Period.

And I listened to many blacks in baltimore about the presidents comments who didnt think what he said was racist.

If someone was stoking racual animosities I would agree that it is pure evil. We agree there. We just dont agree who is doing it.

I agree Trump can learn to tone it down and and be more articulate and careful with his words. I dont think he is meaning the things you guys pull from his statements. He clearly isn't great with words. You guys know that. We also know that he isnt directly saying what he is accused of. Its all dog whistles.. Yet you still choose to turn his statements upside down on purpose. Knowing that it stokes racial tensions. So who guilty of stoking racial animosities? Its a really fair question.

 

[silesian]

We know you secretly worship Hillary. Thats why we still talk about her.

This is as smart as anything else you have posted.

 

[One Brow]

It does NOT work like that. It doesnt work both ways.

Trump can claim innocence all he wants. He can claim he was exonerated. Because he in fact was by virtue of no charges..

The reason there were no charges is by dint of his office, not his level of guilt. Mueller has made that crystal clear, to any who care to hear.

Thats his right. The prosecutor has zero right to say he isnt exonerated but yet he isnt being charged. They can't hang a cloud of doubt over him if they couldn't find a crime to charge him with. Its political nonsense.

You agree with Mueller here, which is why he picks his words so carefully.

Furthermore. When you are being setup an framed by your political opponent who is in cahoots with the very people trying to take you down, its not called obstruction of justice. Its called fighting for real justice. From a moral stand point, it was not Trump's obligation to cooperate with that BS. You would feel the same way if it happened to you.

I might feel the same way. Would I still tell people to lie on my behalf, and lie in my testimony? If so, isn't that still a crime?

So, who is Mueller "in cahoots" with?

 

[One Brow]

We also know that he isnt directly saying what he is accused of. Its all dog whistles.. Yet you still choose to turn his statements upside down on purpose.

Perhaps you don't actually understand what "dog whistles" are in this context, because if you did, that third sentence contradicts the first two.

 

[silesian]

. We also know that he isnt directly saying what he is accused of. Its all dog whistles

I'm glad you see that Trump is dog whistling. This is using coded language that seems to mean one thing to the general population resonates with a targeted subgroup.

So when he says "....send her back...." he fully knows that this resonates with white nationalists and yet he has the deniability of this not literally saying "you are a POC, I'm white, whites are better than you, this is my country, not yours"

Yet this is the message that white nationalists hear, and the message that Trump intends to send to them. Then he can pretend to be innocent, but everyone with a scintilla of sense and knows anything about subtext and coded language sees through the obvious lie.

It is 100% racist.