Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

[framer]

The object function of the algorithm would be to minimize the border distance. The map that minimizes the border distance wins. Bias is nonexistent and irrelevant.

If you want to engineer for urban vs rural, black vs white, lgbtq vs straight, whatever, have at it. I think it’s unnecessary election engineering that devolves into gerrymandering no matter how pure your intentions. I’d just like to elect the best candidate.

You are making the assumption that there is a "best" candidate. That is generally in the eye of the beholder. What I want is a candidate that represents the needs of a vast majority of the people in the district. If you don't take communities of interest into account when drawing up districts, you can effectively disenfranchise large swaths of the population.

I mean look at the middle East. After the World Wars, Europeans just arbitrarily drew lines that might have looked good on paper, but locked in conflict for the next 100 years. Too many large groups that were shut out from unified representation.

Probably the best option would be to have a computer spit out 5 models based on a certain formula and have a statewide referendum vote in choosing 1 of the 5 to go with.

 

[Deleted member 365]

You're asking what obligation the president has to not break the law?

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The FEC Chair:



People asking if the president has any obligation to report foreign interference in our elections, really need to read up on the basic rules of our elections.

 

[silesian]

You are making the assumption that there is a "best" candidate. That is generally in the eye of the beholder. What I want is a candidate that represents the needs of a vast majority of the people in the district. If you don't take communities of interest into account when drawing up districts, you can effectively disenfranchise large swaths of the population.

I mean look at the middle East. After the World Wars, Europeans just arbitrarily drew lines that might have looked good on paper, but locked in conflict for the next 100 years. Too many large groups that were shut out from unified representation.

Probably the best option would be to have a computer spit out 5 models based on a certain formula and have a statewide referendum vote in choosing 1 of the 5 to go with.

Not the best analogy.

Sykes and Picot's lines after WW1 were not arbitrary. They were designed to maximize the imperial influence of the British and French empires.

The chances of State A District 7 going to war over State A District 8 over a border dispute are fairly remote.

 

[silesian]

You are making the assumption that there is a "best" candidate. That is generally in the eye of the beholder. What I want is a candidate that represents the needs of a vast majority of the people in the district. If you don't take communities of interest into account when drawing up districts, you can effectively disenfranchise large swaths of the population..

You are making an assumption that the "best" candidate is one that "represents the needs of a vast majority of the people in the district"

Which I might agree with.

What we are talking about is not that, but how the "district" is defined.

If you leave the politicians to decide these matters, let's not be shocked when the borders continue to be driven by..... wait for it..... politics.

 

[LogGrad98]

So, you have evidence of Clinton taking campaign intelligence from global rivals/enemies? No? Just spouting off a false equivalence?

Can you prove it is a false equivalence?

Would that be a false equivalence equivalence?

 

[Deleted member 365]

Trump’s fear of Putin is so palpable

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

So, if I understand the Trump defenders here, any presidential candidate, of any political party, if offered help winning the election, by America's number one geopolitical adversary of the last 70 years, would keep their mouths shut about it, and, just as Trump did, (according to Mueller), expect to benefit from it, and even, as Trump did right out in the open, actively support it("Russia, if you're listening...."). Trump defenders would have me believe that this response by Trump would be played out regardless of who the beneficiary of this assistance was. Every last presidential candidate, of any political party, would be happy as a pig in slop to accept help from Russia. This is my interpretation of what defenders of Trump are claiming in this thread.

Your interpretation is 100% wrong. The anti-Trump crowd is so unhinged it's indescribable. Their expertise in mis-interperetation has been taken to new levels. I swear there must be some sort of contest to try to take the overreaction and idiocy to the highest possible level. These people are exhausting to listen to. Trump has many faults, but he is not the anti-Christ the left is constantly trying to paint him as. It's exhausting even listening to the insanity.

 

[gandalfe]

Just for the lulz.

 

[Stoked]

Scumbags can go lower. Disgusting. Throw him over board if true.

https://news.google.com/articles/CA...2Nb3CjDivdcCMKuvhQY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

 

[Gameface]

Scumbags can go lower. Disgusting. Throw him over board if true.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEPLPiw1lW2_PRb5OrJWlMUAqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow2Nb3CjDivdcCMKuvhQY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

Honestly kind of sounds like a setup. Emails were sent to his infowars media company email account that had child porn images attached to them, but the FBI says they have no evidence he opened them and no evidence that he ever sent child porn to anyone.

They guy is straight up garbage but so far I'm not buying the child porn thing.

 

[Stoked]

Honestly kind of sounds like a setup. Emails were sent to his infowars media company email account that had child porn images attached to them, but the FBI says they have no evidence he opened them and no evidence that he ever sent child porn to anyone.

They guy is straight up garbage but so far I'm not buying the child porn thing.

If so I hope they track down the people sending them and bust them for child porn and throw them over board.

Got to prove it though.

 

[Red]

I agree Trump does have many faults. Including being a coward, IMO. I'm willing to label him that because he can never admit to a mistake. I take it he regards such admissions a sign of weakness, but I've always felt admitting when one is wrong is a sign of strength. Getting him to finally admit Obama was born in the United States was like pulling teeth, and even though the Central Park Five were released from prison after the real rapist confessed, Trump still won't apologize or admit error in calling for the death penalty in their case, at the time. Well, we know from his tweets and attacks that Trump has the temperament of a bully, and bullies are cowards at heart.....