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Woj bomb... AD to Lakers

No, but he had to play the Celtics and the Pistons. Most great players weren't drafted onto stacked teams. Even Magic Johnson joined the Lakers after they just posted a fairly pedestrian 47-win season. It's preposterous to suggest that somehow LeBron James had it harder than any other superstar who ever played. LeBron bolted for South Beach when he was 25 because he just couldn't chill the **** out and wait to have a decent team put together around him. It's hard to not have crappy talent around you when you're forcing your team to trade all your picks to get you help immediately because you believe yourself entitled to a championship at twenty-****ing-five.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/draft.html

I mean, 5 of the 11 season LeBron played in Cleveland, they didn't have any draft picks! In other years, they simply traded guys away after drafting them. You can't really argue that the teams LeBron has been on have developed a single good young player while he was there. Or maybe I just can't remember one.

You know the kind of players Jordan played with when he was 25? Here's a sample of a starting lineup for the Bulls around that time:

Michael Jordan
Charles Oakley
Brad Sellers
Rory Sparrow
Mike Brown

That's a 4th and a 3rd round pick there. There aren't even that many rounds today! Brad Sellers was a lottery pick, but his 6.3 career PPG average tells you almost everything you need to know about him. You might argue that Oakley was a decent player who certainly had a very long career which included an ASG appearance(the year almost a dozen players made their only ASG appearance ever because the league was that bad), but at best, you could say that he was a player in Ilgauskas range. Borderline All-Star who was a decent defender but certainly nothing resembling a proper second option on offense.

Sure, Jordan would get better teammates later, but not the LeBron way. Grant and Pippen were both drafted by the Bulls. Hell, BJ Armstrong too, if you want to count him among "better teammates." They all had to be developed, nurtured. They had to be waited on. Or you can pressure your front office to trade everything even remotely resembling an asset to get Szczerbiak, Joe Smith, Ben Wallace, Shaq, and Antawn Jamison. All somewhere between 5 and 10 years past their primes.

Let's not pretend like LeBron's mediocre return on what it's supposed to be GOAT talent is all the result of bad luck, conspiracies, and other teams just plain being jerks. The man's patience is non-existent.
I will read this thoroughly tomorrow.

LeBron always did more with less than MJ ever did. MJ had losing season every season without Pippen. MJ won one playoff game in the Boston days. He was 1-9 in the playoffs before Pippen.

LBJ took Jamison and Mo Williams to the finals. Recently took an awful team there too. Last season was only the 2nd losing season of his career. The other, when he was the best player as an 18 year old rookie.

Legends have different legacies. Both MJ and LBJ were divas though. Big time divas. Fans are told to adore one and constantly scrutinize the other.

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I will read this thoroughly tomorrow.

LeBron always did more with less than MJ ever did. MJ had losing season every season without Pippen. MJ won one playoff game in the Boston days. He was 1-9 in the playoffs before Pippen.

LBJ took Jamison and Mo Williams to the finals. Recently took an awful team there too. Last season was only the 2nd losing season of his career. The other, when he was the best player as an 18 year old rookie.

Legends have different legacies. Both MJ and LBJ were divas though. Big time divas. Fans are told to adore one and constantly scrutinize the other.

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Not always. He had a good Bosh and Wade for one season. And Wade for a second. Kyrie

But yeah, usually his teams have sucked on the whole.
 
Wish LeBron would bring all that drama, finals appearances, and championships here to Utah. Such a burden having him on your team, but I think I’d get over it.



Jesus Christ, if you hate the dude fine. But attempting to lower the IQ of the entire thread isn’t necessary.
 
Not always. He had a good Bosh and Wade for one season. And Wade for a second. Kyrie

But yeah, usually his teams have sucked on the whole.
Not always for sure. LeBron had good teams too. I will say that Pippen was better than any player LeBron ever played with. Wade was a little past it when they linked up in Miami. Pippen was one of the best all around players of all time.

AD might end up better than Pippen, but that's TBD.

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I will read this thoroughly tomorrow.

LeBron always did more with less than MJ ever did. MJ had losing season every season without Pippen. MJ won one playoff game in the Boston days. He was 1-9 in the playoffs before Pippen.

LBJ took Jamison and Mo Williams to the finals. Recently took an awful team there too. Last season was only the 2nd losing season of his career. The other, when he was the best player as an 18 year old rookie.

Legends have different legacies. Both MJ and LBJ were divas though. Big time divas. Fans are told to adore one and constantly scrutinize the other.

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Yep
He went to the finals with zudrunas illgauakas as the 2nd best player on his team for God's sake.
Talk about doing more with less!

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Yep
He went to the finals with zudrunas illgauakas as the 2nd best player on his team for God's sake.
Talk about doing more with less!

And Hakeem won the finals with Vernon Maxwell as his second option. Dispatched Drexler, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, and Ewing on the way. That's like 3rd team All-NBA All-Time kind of five.
 
Again, don't get me wrong. LeBron is great. He's had some good teams. He's had some atrocious teams. He took some of those teams pretty far. No different than many other superstars. Sure, LeBron didn't have the luck of a handful of players who either fell into the lap of a great team or were quickly surrounded by great players. That's fine.

But this narrative that he's a constant underdog and he's had nothing but horrible teammates and everyone gangs up on him is bordering on ludicrous. Especially when he is absolved on any responsibility for any of this. I mean, this is a man who for the past decade has picked his team, his teammates, and his coaches himself.
 
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