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Woj: Joe Ingles is finalizing deal to return to the Utah Jazz

Saint Cy of JFC said:
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Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux were discussing it in one of their podcasts but I don't know which one exactly(so I don't have a link, I'm sorry). One of the main points they made is that this might be a way for some teams to cheat the system a bit in FA and set up contracts that even though deemed unlikely are actually likely. For example giving a player that was injured for most of the year a bonus if he plays more than 25 games(which he didn't play the previous season). This way they can sign the player to a lower number on the cap at the time than he's actually going to end up getting.

edit: Here's a bit more from the CBA FAQ: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q74
 
stitches said:
Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux were discussing it in one of their podcasts but I don't know which one exactly(so I don't have a link, I'm sorry). One of the main points they made is that this might be a way for some teams to cheat the system a bit in FA and set up contracts that even though deemed unlikely are actually likely. For example giving a player that was injured for most of the year a bonus if he plays more than 25 games(which he didn't play the previous season). This way they can sign the player to a lower number on the cap at the time than he's actually going to end up getting.
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I know the Jazz do a lot of incentives based on going to P3 and working out in Utah for a certain amount of time during the off-season.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I know the Jazz do a lot of incentives based on going to P3 and working out in Utah for a certain amount of time during the off-season.
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Yeah, that's true. Rudy's contract had incentives too - both based on participation in off-season workouts and in in-season performance. I think he's getting them all. :D
 
stitches said:
Depends on whether the incentives the are deemed likely or unlikely. For example, before Gobert made all-nba and all-defense team his cap/salary was 21.3M, once he made those teams his cap number jumped to 21.9M.

I think the league determines those based on performance from previous season. For example if in the contract it says the player gets extra 0.5M if he plays 70 games, if he has played 69 the previous season this one is deemed unlikely and doesn't count towards the cap, if he has played 71 games it's deemed likely and it counts towards the cap.
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Yeah, what he said!
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
So Gobert's All-Defensive team and All-NBA team (both first) were deemed likely? Seems unlikely.
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If he's done it the previous season(2016-2017) they are deemed "likely" for the following season(2017-2018). If he hasn't, it's deemed unlikely.

I don't know if Gobert has All-NBA first team incentive or just a general All-NBA team(1st, second or third) incentive. If he has a 1st team all-NBA incentive in his contract, it will be deemed "unlikely", if he has an all-NBA second or third team(or general) incentive in his contract, it will be deemed "likely". At least, that's the way I understand it. It's never ideal, but this seems somewhat reasonable way to determine what is and what isn't likely. Again - the problem with loopholes emerges and I bet teams will start abusing those and the league will crack down on those in a following CBA or as an addendum to the current one next year.
 
stitches said:
If he's done it the previous season they are deemed "likely". If he hasn't, it's deemed unlikely. I don't know if Gobert has All-NBA first team incentive or just a general All-NBA team(1st, second or third) incentive. If he has a 1st team all-NBA incentive in his contract, it will be deemed "unlikely", if he has an all-NBA second or third team(or general) incentive in his contract, it will be deemed "likely". At least, that's the way I understand it. It's never ideal, but this seems somewhat reasonable way to determine what is and what isn't likely. Again - the problem with loopholes emerges and I bet teams will start abusing those and the league will crack down on those in a following CBA or as an addendum to the current one next year.
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Yeah but Gobert had made no All-**** teams before, so they would be deemed "unlikely" but the increase still counted against the cap...Right?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah but Gobert had made no All-**** teams before, so they would be deemed "unlikely" but the increase still counted against the cap...Right?
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His new contract with the new incentives starts this season(this month) and it's for the following year and it's determined by what he's done in the previous season. Whether his incentives will be likely or unlikely for 2017-2018 season is determined by whether he made all nba and all-defense teams in 2016-2017 season.

His caphold jumped by about half a million(for this season) after he made all-defense and all-nba teams because the incentives in his contract became "likely" based on the fact that he made those all-nba teams.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah but Gobert had made no All-**** teams before, so they would be deemed "unlikely" but the increase still counted against the cap...Right?
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No. They would have been unlikely for last year, and the payments to Gobert for meeting those incentives would not have counted against the cap.
 
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