Bane? Hispanic to caucasian?
would it be okay if i a movie is made about mlk with a white actor playing him.
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Bane? Hispanic to caucasian?
Shout out for the True Romance mention.
So many people haven't seen this, which is kind of weird.
It is inconsequential within the context of comics, not as an existential statement.
If they changed the character's name and characteristics, but kept him a white male, we would not have heard a peep. I wouldn't even know the controversy exists. After all, they did that thousands of times over more than half a century. I'm afraid your position is built on a house of cards. It is time to let it collapse.
I accept whitewashing of characters has been around for years and are still being done and people turn a blind eye to it. What I argue has nothing to do with how society sees what, it is about whether changing the characters' race changes the characters' perception of life. You can change race with education level, being rich or fat. Batman wouldn't be Batman if his parents survived that day.
You say that it's a distraction and I will let it be.
And Idris Elba would make a fine James Bond, Loved him in Beasts of No Nation. I never understood the objection to it. 007 was never just one person.
Many things change when a written piece becomes a movie.
No ****, Sherlock.
None.
DutchJazzer
Banned
Also, I remember people being pretty peeved about Daniel Craig as Bond at first because he had blonde hair/blue eyes.
Billy Dee Williams played Harvey Dent in the first Tim Burton Batman film. These are fictional characters. They have no race. It is actually impossible to cast them as the wrong race*.
MLK was a real person whose race is inherently bound up in his contributions to society. Having him be played by a white person would not only be bizarre but would be insulting. A story about a leader of a people rising up for themselves becomes about a pivotal white guy saving brown folk. The entire nature of the story requires MLK to be black. He is not a fictional character.
I have not seen Supergirl, but I'm not particularly invested in the Jimmy Olsen characterization. This is a random and minor side character. He historically exists only to get into weird predicaments that superman has to save him from or otherwise be the lens into some weird superman behavior.
Jimmy Olsen is a relic of a bygone pulpy era of comics that essentially no longer exists. This is not the characterization cross that anyone should want to die on. I have an entire bookshelf (floor to ceiling) full of nothing but comic book trades. I'm easily past the 90th percentile on this board for who has read the most of them, and this is a thing that just doesn't matter.
* I recognize there are some characters in the course of comic book history whose stories are defined by racial identity. Milestone comics characters probably can't be white. Jaime Reyes probably can't be anything but Hispanic. Jimmy Olsen is not one of those characters.
MLK was a real person whose race is inherently bound up in his contributions to society. Having him be played by a white person would not only be bizarre but would be insulting. A story about a leader of a people rising up for themselves becomes about a pivotal white guy saving brown folk. The entire nature of the story requires MLK to be black. He is not a fictional character.
I have not seen Supergirl, but I'm not particularly invested in the Jimmy Olsen characterization. This is a random and minor side character. He historically exists only to get into weird predicaments that superman has to save him from or otherwise be the lens into some weird superman behavior.
Jimmy Olsen is a relic of a bygone pulpy era of comics that essentially no longer exists. This is not the characterization cross that anyone should want to die on. I have an entire bookshelf (floor to ceiling) full of nothing but comic book trades. I'm easily past the 90th percentile on this board for who has read the most of them, and this is a thing that just doesn't matter.
* I recognize there are some characters in the course of comic book history whose stories are defined by racial identity. Milestone comics characters probably can't be white. Jaime Reyes probably can't be anything but Hispanic. Jimmy Olsen is not one of those characters.
DutchJazzer
Banned
Billy Dee Williams played Harvey Dent in the first Tim Burton Batman film. These are fictional characters. They have no race. It is actually impossible to cast them as the wrong race*.
MLK was a real person whose race is inherently bound up in his contributions to society. Having him be played by a white person would not only be bizarre but would be insulting. A story about a leader of a people rising up for themselves becomes about a pivotal white guy saving brown folk. The entire nature of the story requires MLK to be black. He is not a fictional character.
I have not seen Supergirl, but I'm not particularly invested in the Jimmy Olsen characterization. This is a random and minor side character. He historically exists only to get into weird predicaments that superman has to save him from or otherwise be the lens into some weird superman behavior.
Jimmy Olsen is a relic of a bygone pulpy era of comics that essentially no longer exists. This is not the characterization cross that anyone should want to die on. I have an entire bookshelf (floor to ceiling) full of nothing but comic book trades. I'm easily past the 90th percentile on this board for who has read the most of them, and this is a thing that just doesn't matter.
* I recognize there are some characters in the course of comic book history whose stories are defined by racial identity. Milestone comics characters probably can't be white. Jaime Reyes probably can't be anything but Hispanic. Jimmy Olsen is not one of those characters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9KuqKlyqX0
Jimmy looks good in a Henley!
